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Don't Assyrians deserve to live as one nation??

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Don't Assyrians deserve to live as one nation??

Oct-19-2000 at 02:26 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Some dirty stratigic conspiracies were planted in our Assyrian nation as a long term investment which lasts forever. Those Assyrians whom they accepted to live under catholic church umbrella which called them "chaldeans"in 15's century, would they realized that their decision shall developed to such mess in our nation? Had they thought that their Assyrian grandsons might receievd wrong message? Those Assyrians were religious, they were thinking exclusively how to get better life while being catholics as those missionaries attracted them to be.They never believed in separation, and the evidences are many look at Agha Butros who was Assyrian from chaldean church and others with him,look at fraidon atouraya, from aurthodox church ,Naom Faiq from syriac church!! Were they foolish not to declare separation in their time?? They were Assyrian nationalists, they never let the church to drag them into such situation which might accumulate ethnicity ideas based on church rites.

Now the point is, those Assyrians being called "chaldeans" they do not have any written documents to calling for separation as an ethnic..Those todays "chaldeans" they are asking for so much than their/our ancestors were thinking about.The whole matter was creating another church beside the mother church. Now this church had grown up enough to declare ethnic separation based on church Rites!!??who shall not beleive that tomorrow syriac church, or jacobites church wont declare ethnic separation based on their Rites??!!Oh my GOD then where is the Assyrianism, where is the Assyrian people who conqured the ancient world, where is the nationalism among those people??!!

It's the Assyrian people who should decide his fate as one nation!!If everyone of those churches is running on the same direction as chaldean church had done, then we do not deserve to live as one nation.We can't stop those new believers in the "new chaldean ethnic" unless someone who leads them should talk to them, and the only one who could stop this rally is his Holeness MAR BEDAWED otherwise please stop fooling us by this FALSE UNITY..We do not deserve to live as one nation..we got the message!! We have been sold!!

Albert Alnasser

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1. RE: Don't Assyrians deserve to live as one nation??

Nov-29-2000 at 02:00 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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To Albert,
Before you actually publish a public opinion stating things that have no historical background. Could you make sure that you give us the sources of your information?

i.e., How and when Chaldeans were an ethnic group and when did the separation of the churches started.

The Chaldeans are not only an ethnic minority trying to separate based on church and religious inclinations.

Please, When ever you write something so serious keep in mind there are people out there who could investigate the historical fact and I'm up to if you can prove to me that Chaldeans are only an ethnic group based on church I would love to believe you.

A young woman who is fed up of Assyrians unrealistic nationalism.

A Yousif

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Assyria \ã-'sir-é-ä\ n (1998)   1:  an ancient empire of Ashur   2:  a democratic state in Bet-Nahren, Assyria (northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, southeastern Turkey and eastern Syria.)   3:  a democratic state that fosters the social and political rights to all of its inhabitants irrespective of their religion, race, or gender   4:  a democratic state that believes in the freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture in faithfulness to the principles of the United Nations Charter — Atour synonym

Ethnicity, Religion, Language
» Israeli, Jewish, Hebrew
» Assyrian, Christian, Aramaic
» Saudi Arabian, Muslim, Arabic
Assyrian \ã-'sir-é-an\ adj or n (1998)   1:  descendants of the ancient empire of Ashur   2:  the Assyrians, although representing but one single nation as the direct heirs of the ancient Assyrian Empire, are now doctrinally divided, inter sese, into five principle ecclesiastically designated religious sects with their corresponding hierarchies and distinct church governments, namely, Church of the East, Chaldean, Maronite, Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholic.  These formal divisions had their origin in the 5th century of the Christian Era.  No one can coherently understand the Assyrians as a whole until he can distinguish that which is religion or church from that which is nation -- a matter which is particularly difficult for the people from the western world to understand; for in the East, by force of circumstances beyond their control, religion has been made, from time immemorial, virtually into a criterion of nationality.   3:  the Assyrians have been referred to as Aramaean, Aramaye, Ashuraya, Ashureen, Ashuri, Ashuroyo, Assyrio-Chaldean, Aturaya, Chaldean, Chaldo, ChaldoAssyrian, ChaldoAssyrio, Jacobite, Kaldany, Kaldu, Kasdu, Malabar, Maronite, Maronaya, Nestorian, Nestornaye, Oromoye, Suraya, Syriac, Syrian, Syriani, Suryoye, Suryoyo and Telkeffee. — Assyrianism verb

Aramaic \ar-é-'máik\ n (1998)   1:  a Semitic language which became the lingua franca of the Middle East during the ancient Assyrian empire.   2:  has been referred to as Neo-Aramaic, Neo-Syriac, Classical Syriac, Syriac, Suryoyo, Swadaya and Turoyo.

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