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ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

May-31-2001 at 09:05 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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ASHURISM

THE ASHURIAN NATIONAL IDEOLOGY


To those who are dealing with the Ashurian cause it's not so easy to set their calculations based on a superficial glance to what is available on the ground. A deep and longsighted view to our history to understand the cause through the Ashurian National Doctrine may only observes the looseness that leads to an endless tunnel.



The Ashurian National Doctrine

It means the absolute believing in Ashurism.The faith in the Ashurian national Doctrine had approved our real national values for thousands years as a successful doctrine for our daily life transactions.

The national faith in our case is on top of our priorities, and through the faith, our priorities organically are linked to form our national values.

The national faith should direct Ashurians to believe in their nation as one people of one name.
Solely, through that understanding we could liberate and protect ourselves of being victims to other political ideologies. Ashurism gives us the power to understand ourselves to set our clear direct national-political targets.

Unfortunately, Ashurians never had a written Ashurian National Ideology to be accepted as their national doctrine in this modern age. What are available are political ideas infected by other ideologies.

Our National ideology should be written based on clear national targets represent the will of our nation. As long as the nation is breathing,such will keeps our nation never stop struggling and challenging.

Ashurians due to several reasons became tools to serve others, and through that they unfortunately contributed their total efforts to serve other ideologies, which used them against their nation or draged them at least to ignore their nation. Is that because our struggling resulted to nothing? Is that because we grown up in families they never declare their Ashurianity due to what their "church" taught them? Or because no guidelines available to set an Ashurian national education to direct our people to know their national identity and to fight for!! Or the combination of all above reasons also applied!

It's so sad to know that many Ashurian sects insist to appear as separated "religious groups" not willing to gather as one nation. Such portray will deform and complicate our true political issues.The national identity certainly reserved our political Rights as long as we are live. But changing our identity will certainly weaken our claim for political existence.

We the Ashurians in need and must set our faith only towards Ashurism, and When we accomplish such step, keeping the faith, nothing shall prevent us from retrieving our political rights.

Unfortunately, we can't centralize our ideas to form one Ashurian leadership, or at least to find one unified front to gather our efforts against our enemies. I hope one day our people shall respect their nation and consider it as a national responsibility.

After converting to Christianity, our first priority became Christian faith, thats why we defend our churches more than defending our Ashurism and our nation. Unfortunately the Christian faith apart our n/a/t/i/o/n/ and that is very noticeable by having different churches misleading our people psychologically to concentrate on church Rites more than their national doctrine, that's how our churches and religion became as tools to shutdown Ashurism!! And due to faith in God is an ancient holy entity in our life, our people use to accept any word comes from our "priests" and that's related to the type of our historical leadership which was in shape of "priest".

Some "anti-Ashurism" and "anti-Christianity" took the chance against the church by misleading the people, coloring the church to appear in shape of "enemy" such blame against the church created by those whom are exposed to communist ideology whom never cared about Ashurism and religion as an important factors in our life.

We the Ashurians are the first people on this earth who believed in GOD and had spread his name in the ancient world. Such belief is in our blood, we can't ignore it, it is part of our Ashurian identity, Ashurism also means in GOD we trust and believe, and that was before Christianity for thousands years.

Either due to ignorance or for hidden purposes to serve other political ideologies which contradict with our national ideology, those "anti-Ashurism" gave wrong idea about the national act, they have punched the nationalism to be wrongfully related to our churches, I trust that not all churches serves only word of GOD!! But such comparison confused our people to accept either Ashurism or "religious rites"!! And because mistake always produces mistake, our people have chosen their "religious rites" under church title, which now for "some" of them accumulate wrong understanding to recognize themselves as a new nation! That's considered the big loss in term of national calculations.

The Ashurian National Ideology is such high quality of nationalistic doctrine needs high-qualified nationalistic individuals to lead our people at least to centralize their attraction and beliefs towards Ashurism rather than attracted to be "religious groups" or serve other ideologies.


The negative impact of Christianity on Ashurism

Is it a coincidence that Islam religion works for Arab nation, while Christianity works only against Ashurism!!

For how long we should just watch Christianity apart our nation, discounting our national values from our lives, while Islam religion gathering Arabs nationally!! Is it our Christian faith meant to destroy our national values? Our churches made it, and became TOOLS to shutdown Ashurism!!

There is something wrong; Ashurians do not realize that something in Christianity is designed to shutdown Ashurism.

We should oriented our belief in Christianity this way: NO CHRISTIANITY WITHOUT ASHURISM" to prevent our people considering Christianity more important than Ashurism.

We born as Ashurians, we had known GOD before Christianity, historically we had taught this world spiritually about GOD and the creation before thousands years.

Yes, all spiritual acts in Ashurism had been quoted to Christianity!! It's an act of ignorance if we ignore the true God in Ashurism and to praise the same God in Christianity!! Is there any logical explanation to that?? Unless it's a trial to drag the truth from Ashurism and had spread under different topic (Christianity)!!

He is the same GOD; we had known him before any other creature on this Earth. What changed in this GOD after we converted to Christianity!

Christianity is the same conception of Ashurism, or it's the Ashurism itself but with those little changes which designed to work against Ashurism.


I TRUST IN GOD AS AN ASHURIAN, I BELIEVE IN GOD AS MY ANCESTORS BEFORE CHRISTIANITY HAD KNOWN AND WORSHIPPED HIM FOR THOUSANDS YEARS AND THAT IS MY POWER IN MY FAITH. REMEMBER ALWAYS ASHURISM ALSO BELIEVES IN GOD. IT IS NOT ONLY NATIONAL IDENTITY BUT IT'S BOTH.

I just want to emphasize that we had our religion; it was part of our Ashurism, that's why GOD called us"...and Assyria the work of my hands" Ishaia 19:25.

GOD knows us as his worshippers and as Ashurian followers to him, that's how our name came from his name (God Ashur/Ashuraya (Aha Shuraya/A-Shuraya/Ashuraya) which means "The beginning", God is the beginning, the beginning of creation. This concept was quoted to Christianity in the bible. Read John 1:1 " In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God.

He THE MIGHTY GOD did not send Jesus to lecture his worshippers. Jesus came to destroy paganism of other nations,to achieve that Jesus should depend on God followers and worshippers on Earth. Such mission can not be done only by ghosts!!Such mission needed "real factors" to reach those other pagans. The "real factors" were people/humen That's why Jesus sticked to The God believers those who believed without seeing him The Ashurians to achieve his mission. Jesus said, " The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgement with this generation, and shall condemn it..." Matthew 12:41. So, according to what Jesus said we easily could conclude that ancient Ashurians were not pagans.

Please read carefully and understand that ancient Ashurians hadn't changed their faith in GOD due to Jesus appearance. Such holy appearance should be considered as a continuity to what ancient Ashurians had believed in.We should analyze the mechanism of above details as following:-
How ancient Ashurians believed in Jesus appearance? Was there any sign previously mentioned in their religious heritage referring to such appearance??

Indeed ancient Ashurians from their own religious heritage had the knowledge of the "Star of East" as a sign of Jesus birth, and that was mentioned in the Bible.

Read Matthew 2:1-2" Now when Jesus was born in Beth-le-hem of Ju-dae-a in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem. Saying, where is he that is born king of the( Jews??)? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him".

How did those wise men had known about such sign as they were from East? Who else know about prophets and Mighty God in the East? the Persians were pagans worshipping Fire!! Only Ashurians were worshipping God. That's how our real spiritual heritage as God worshippers were quoted in a different way to bible.

The point is for some "unknown?" reasons Ashurism had been changed to Christianity and it was left to The Time to occupy the place of Ashurism.

Why then Ashurians can't accept Islam?? It fulfills the same purpose of calling for GOD? Because nothing about Mohammad mentioned in our ancient religious heritage, but Jesus was known for ancient Ashurians.
Pay attention to this paragraph quoted from the bible:

Daniel 3:25 " He answered and said, Lo,I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and THE FORM OF THE FOURTH IS LIKE THE SON OF GOD.

above mentioned are words said and spoken by our Assyrian king Nebuchadnezzar.I don't want to go further in details about why he said it, so just to shorten the topic: read about the fourth person his form is like the son of God!!!!

Is it there any doubts that our ancestors where indeed worshipping God, and not only that, but also they had known Jesus in their times. We have to understand that our jesus and his story with his appearance was not stated correctly as it is mentioned solely he had appeared to jews by calling him (king of Jews)?!!.
Here I don't claim Jesus is only for Assyrians. But when Jews claiming that, then we should expose those biblical evidences to set the truth as it should be.

if our king Nebuchadnezzar had recognized the son of God from his form, that's hadn't happened at first time, there should be roots go further more deep to ancestors of Nebuchadnezzar himself, otherwise how the king recognized the son of God from his form??!!Logically someone had seen Jesus before the king and refered to his form untill Nebochadnezzar recognized him.


Unfortunately, the killing point that had apart our nation is the Christianity title.
Ashurism was sole method, did not encourage our people for multi-methods in their faith to GOD. If that was continued the future of the Ashurian nation wont be the same as today.



THE POLITICAL GAME OF OTHER IDEOLOGIES


We can easily identify the contradictions in other political ideologies who took place to lead Ashurians using the term of national struggle as a cover to serve their benefits which representing their first priority. We understand that interests are the natural language in politics. Based on that, those ideologies oriented their efforts to such goals that serve their political interests, nothing of that Ashurianity they do care about. We are the lucky card to be used now days, once the card is expired, they'll sell us at the first available chance.

The National Ideology rarely considered wrong. If the national targets were not properly accomplished that's mean the political plan was wrong! Ashurians must direct their attention to identify what is beyond all of those Ashurian political parties to solve their puzzle. Why they made the cause too complicated? Having several parties should result high-quality act in our national struggle, which leads to more pressure against the Iraqi government and alike. What is available are only Ashurian faces but in fact they serve the benefits of other political ideologies, and that's why is so clear that all of them declared Ashurism, but nothing of Ashurism is gathering them.

The current preparations in the National-Political exercise should ensure an integral solution instantly due to the insupportable situation of the Ashurians. Such situation cannot provide assistance to raise integral solution unless Ashurians deal honestly with their Ashurianity as a national responsibility. Such responsibility should be passed through national achievements as a message to our next generations. Such achievements shall never accomplished unless to follow the Ashurian National Ideology standards.

Albert Nasser


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1. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-03-2001 at 08:51 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Khulon:
I am not an Assyrian and there are no pure Assyrians left today for thousands of years. the Assyrian peoples worshiped in the Babylonian idoltress religions of many gods and godesses, not monothesim. The COE started in Eastern Syria not Iraq, and constited of many ethnic groups who spoke Aramaic as their language and culture. Most of the Christian materials were translations of the Hebrew and Greek. In the Middle East Aramaic was the lingua franca, no Arabic was spoken outside of Arabia. In the Muslium religion a bunch of savage theives , rapists and cut throats joined to gether under Muhammud to form a new religion of Monothesim against a back ground of savage paganism. The Arabs were illiterate, killing infant girls by burying them alive. The Arab culture was made up of many tribal groups fighting and pillaging each other raping the women and pludering the goods. This stoped during the reforms of Islam in around 622A.D. But alas even Islam was proven to be a bloody religion who kills and persecutes all who do not embrace it. They have systamatically slaughtered millions in the name of Islam and wiped out more than two thirds of the Assyrian Church especailly in China, and Central Asia. More recently in 1915 the Turks butchered million of women and children in the Christian Holocaust for not being Muslium. Many such as 600,000 Assyrian Christians were slaughted along with 2,000,000 Armenins and Greeks and many more Christians as well. Even today in the Sudan the Islamitization is creating a slave trade and killing hundreds of thousands of Sudanese peoples in the south simply because they do not suscribe to Islam. Most are animist and some are Christian but that does not give the White Northern Islamic militant Sudanese the right to carry out the genocide they are now doing. Your people of all people should know this brunt of Islamic fanticism which believes int heextermination of all non-Musliums in their teritory. IN Afghanistan the evil hordes of Islam want ot force the Hindus and other religious minorites of Afghanis to identify themselves , so they can be treated as third class citizens. this is the same tatics the Adolf hittler used on the Jews and all other none desirable people inj his sick mind. Sadam Husein has butchered millions of Musliums as welll as Assyrians due to his hatred of Kurds, Persians, and other Iraqi miniority groups. These being facts today, I would have no interest in Islam now or ever. A culture is a ethnic group of people with certain things in common, choice of foods, archtexture,language, musical styles, writing, language, religion, and ect. If we truely want ot help the people calling themselves Assyrians today we should focus on the entire peoples groups involved, not just their religious beliefs, on that I agree. Shlama W'Berkhata, Sam

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Jun-03-2001 at 05:41 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Sam

to discuss with you, we need to set an acceptable ground for our discussion.
First tell me what is your nationality.

Albert Nasser

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Jun-04-2001 at 08:28 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Albert:
I am a American. I was born in the USA.
My background is Jewish. My religous beliefs are Jewish with believing in Maran Eashoa as the Messiah and the Son of Alaha. This is contrary to mainstream Judaism which teaches that Alaha has no son and can not asume human form, as Alaha incarnate. The islamic religion also does not accept the Son of Alaha I learned to read Aramaic through the web cite of peshitta.com. I speak only fluent English.The serta alphabet is harder to read than the Estrangela but simmilar. Hebrew and Greek is easy to read. Aramaic and Hebrew have identical Alphabets they merly write differently. Arabic is a lot harder it has 28 letters instead of 22 as in Ancient Arabic and in languages such as Farsi and Urdu they have the 28 Arabic letters plus 4 more like the others but with an additonal dot each indication an additonal letter soud. The Muslium peoples do not all follow the Quaran and the Hadith, most care less and the governments are only using the religion to control and manipilate their people. Shlam W'Berkhata, Sam

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Jun-04-2001 at 06:32 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Samuel,
I've been reading a little about you and other letters from Peshitta, it makes my heart rejoice when I know of Messianic Jews, welcome to the Assyrian website( although you might have been on it before I was). I go to a Pentecostal Church here in Sydney and we have a friend who is also a Messianic Jew, his name is Fared, he is a Russian Jew. Our solicitor is also Jewish and we've been wittnessing to him, we recently gave him a Paul Wilbur video called Shalom Jerusalem- have you seen this video? It's great.

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Jun-05-2001 at 08:54 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Vabra:
I have the tape cassete version of Paul Wimbler's recordings. They are good , but I prefer more Hebrew only type of Music with very little English. In Messianic music ther are alimted amont availble with Hebrew lyrics. Most of my hebrew music is Jewish and not Messianic . There are three main types of Jewish religious music. The Askenazic tradion, The Sephardic and the Hasidic. I like the Yeminite Sephardic and other languages as well, even Aramaic from the Syrian Orthodox Chruch and the Assyrian people. I lke Armenian Secular Songs, Turkish and Arabic like Debke. i have music from Pakistian in Urdu , Mongolian,Chinese, Korean, European, Persian, and from all over the world. A Web cite called WWW.galilee of the nations.com has some newer Messianic recordings available like Worship In Jerusalem called Melekh HaMalakhim(King of Kings). here is one Israeli song in English and Hebrew:
The Darkness Deepens
Ma'amik Ha KHodekh
MA'AMIK HAKHOSEHKH AL P'NEI HA'ADAM,
M'ZIKIM NIM LAMILKHAMA;
HABRIA MITYA'ESHET,HABORE MITZTA'ER;
K'NIERI HATIKVA NAFLA V'LO TAKUM YOTER.
HISTAKEL MITMAMEKHA,
LEVAVOT MITYABSHIM,
SHUV HAKOL BA RAMA NISHMA,
V'SHUV HEM LO SHOMIM;
HAKAHAL M'SHAKHE LO, L'ALUF HASH'KHOR,
AKH BASOF YIDROKH KOKHAV MI YAAKOV,
KOKHAV HA'OR.(CHROUS)
HINEI HU BA, IM ALFEI HAKHAYALIM,
HINEI HU BA ,IM MILYONEI HAMALAKHIM;
HENIE HU BA , AL KANFEI HA'ANANIM
HINEI HU BA,HASHAMAYIM NIFTAKHIM;
HINEI HU BA! (ANI MA'AMIN ,ANI MA'AMIM,
B'EMUNA SHLEMA, B'VIAT HA MASHIAKH...
HOSHIANA!..) HINEI HU BA!
THE DARKNESS DEEPENS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH,
EVIL SPIRITS LAUGH AND PREPARE FOR WAR;
THE CREATION IS IN DESPAIR AND THE CREATOR GRIEVES;
IT APPEARS THAT HOPE HAS FALLEN , NOT TO RISE AGAIN.
BUT LOOK TO THE HORIZON,HEARTBEATS OF THE DAWN;
THE SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES WITH HEALING IN ITS WINGS.
THE LATTER RAIN TARRIES, HEARTS DRY UP,
AGAIN A VOICE IS HEARD IN RAMA...AGAIN NO ONE HEARS;
THE CROWDS AWAITR HIM, THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS,
BUT AT THE END WILL APPEAR THE STAR FROM OUT OF JACOB,
THE STAR OF LIGHT.
HERE HE COMES,WITH THOUSANDS OF HIS HOSTS,
HERE HE COMES ,WITH MILIONS OF HIS ANGELS;
HERE HE COMES, ON THE WINGS OF THE CLOUDS,
HERE HE COMES,THE HEAVENS ARE OPENED;
HERE HE COMES!
(I BELIEVE WITH PERFECT FAITH IN THE COMMING OF THE MESSAIH;
SAVE US, WE BSEECH YOU!) HERE HE COMES!
Writen by David Loden in 2000.
ISBN # 26297 42942
Shlama W'Berkhata, Sam

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Jun-04-2001 at 01:48 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Samuel
you stated:".. and there are no pure Assyrians left today for thousands of years..the Assyrian peoples worshiped in the Babylonian idoltress religions of many gods and godesses, not mono-thsim".

what makes you to think that no pure Assyrians left today?? Is that assumption include Jewish people??!!

Listen Samuel,such bad theory was published by non-Assyrian historians who were on payroll of some powers to serve some filthy purposes against Assyrians.More to say there are universities their history section/dept. has nothing to do only to fake/forgery statements about the Assyrian history to decieve this world.We know them by their names also, they are protected with a huge financial support to achieve such big goals.We know ourselves as you know yours!! We know how mighty we were and still we are and that's why such huge efforts were created "internationally" to change the history of the mankind that we had produced and still up-to-date nothing had been added to what Assyrians had accomplished, only the electricity. Forgeries/falsification what's so ever were injected among pages of our true mighty history to make it looks like a history of only a bloody war machine.
Assyrians were masters for all existed nations without any competition, and that was not welcomed to those who hate Assyrians so they deny our history as the cradle of the humankind civilizations.

watch the history channel in your TV and see how they are concentrating on Egyptian history which is nothing against Assyrian history,Assyrians were ahead in civilization for over than 500 years while Egyptians were not existed!! Egypt was dwelled by Assyrians before Pharaonies even existed!!This comes a result of archeological excavations and digging down under several layers of the Earth, excavators had found giant skeletons of humen bones not similar to the shorty Pharaonies. The only giant bodies in that area were Assyrians. The archeologists followed the immigration line that Assyrians guide themselves to Egypt through, many discoveries were found on caves on small mountains and drawings showing the ships were in Assyrian style came from (Babylon) through the Gulf to the red sea!!

1- you still count your day 24 hours, 60 minutes per hour, 60 seconds per minute. That's an Assyrian achievement.

2- you still have 7 days a week..That's an Assyrian achievement.

3- you still calling those days of the week as a translation of Assyrian names.

4- you still calculate the circle as 360 degrees.. that's an Assyrian achievement.
you still measure the curves and angles with a degree measurment!! no one dare to change the 360 degree to 100 or 1000 degrees and all the geometry and engineering sciences were based on those facts which were an Assyrian achievement.

5- you still feel happy when you think that you are born under happy horoscope/stellar chart to predict your future. Scientists before 100-200 years were thinking that such science related to Astronomy. The astronomy science had born in Assyria.

6- you stated:" Most of the Christian materials were translations of the Hebrew and Greek".

you still read in the bible about creation, tree of life and the flood story which is a copy of Assyrian epic of Gilgamish. More to add the prophet Tamoz(God Tamoz!?), Jesus's story is the same exact story of Tamoz when he was crucified!! There were 2 criminals beside Tamoz!! as well beside Jesus All those stories were first mentioned in the ancient Assyrian heritage and was quoted to bible to become part of christianity to suite the call for monothesim "one God".And that was the ancient Assyrian spiritual heritage which was monothesim, believed in mighty God Ashur "the name of the true God who we worshipping today" but not as many think of multi Gods were worshipped by ancient Assyrians.

7- you still see sewing productions; the sewing was invented by Assyrians.

8- you still see in symphonies that big old Guitar with many long strings played with ten fingers, that's non-negotiable Assyrian guitar!!The method of playing guitar with 5 fingers as spanish do, is an ancient Assyrian method. drums,trumpet,piano,spanish guitar, westren guitar what else all those musical instruments were developed based on the Assyrian invented instruments.

9- the word love and heart as a centre for romance
was first created in ancient Assyrian songs before 3400 years as was discovered in an archeological mission revealed it's secrets by university of California in 1975.Assyrians were playing 2 tunes per one time to play their musical harmonies.. and they who invented the 7 musical scales of western style not as was mistakenly known had done by ancient Greeks at 400 B.C.

10- invention of clocks was Assyrian one, and ancient Greeks took it and learned it through their trading communication with Assyria.

As more you ask as more answers you get, but you should know that the Assyrian problems are designed by one enemy!!

Take care

Albert Alnasser

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Jun-05-2001 at 09:01 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Albert Nasser:
If your facts are correct then what we call Babylonian civilization is really Assyrian. The epic of Gilgamash is like unto the story of Noah , but it is writen on an unethical, plain, and involes Gods in plural not one God Ashur. Ashur in the bible was a person born in the Book of Rishta(Genesis), not a diety. The word Yahweh comes from the Hebrew word to be or Hahyah. it is not a personal name so much as a statement of who Alaha is. In the Peshitta the word Yahweh is called Marya, meaning LORD,or more preciously Mar (Lord, or Sir) and Ya meaning Yah(short for Yahweh).The 360 degress of a circle was invented by the Greeks under Euclidian Geometry , not the Assyrians which is they are the true Babylonians used 400 degrees in a circle a math teacher taught me that. You atribute many things to the Assyrians some are facts , but many are not.Abraham was born an Assyrian by your definition of equating Babylon as Assyria , being born in Southern Iraq in the city of Ur of the Chalodeans. The language of the Ancient Patriarchs of the hebrews latter called Jews was Aramean , a ancient dialect of primative Aramaic which was replaced bvy Moshe's time by Hebrew a language of Northern Semetic stock closely related to Ugaritic of the Cannonites probably an adopted tongue since before the Egyptian bondage the hebrew lived among the Cannonites in their land. During the Hyskos, Semetic invaders they conquered Egypt for a season ,I do not know if they were Assyrian or not, I think they must have been since the Cannonites were divided to many tribes and not united as a conquering force to conquer Egypt. Only Assyria could accomplish such an objective. Much of our knoweldge of the Classic Greek world is preserved by Assyrians whom translated the Greek into Syriac a language of Aramaic then in the Arab conquesting period they translated the Aramaic into Arabic. From Moslem Spain came Arabic Assyrian translated Greek texts into Latin and then into Europe. This the whole world owes Assyria a great debt for much of our learning in the Greek philoophical classics that would have been unavialable if not for the Aramaic and Arabic translations they have made. Shlama W'Berkhata, Sam

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Jun-06-2001 at 00:16 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Samuel
first of all please translate this Jewish word (Akhi) in English it's looks like in arabic(Akhi) (Brother)as it's derived from the original Assyrian (khona).

To answer your question about Babylonians; indeed Babylonians were Assyrians, please pay attention that babylonian is geographical term related to Babylon city. But what's about the nationality of the people!!?? English is the name of nation,instead can we replace city of Manchester and keep saying Manchestrians!! That's exactly what was changed in the history of Assyria!! Historians by purpose had denied the national identity of Babylonians which was Assyrian. There was no Babylonian nation in the history of Assyria. Assyria was the whole land from south of iraq of today up to north, and babylon city was part of it.

I can see that you are quoting only from Bible. I can't take the bible as an sole reference for my replies in the way you are doing, same as Vabra and julia plus Eden. That matter was set since the first topic I had written. I'm trying to use several references to uncover the hidden Truth in the bible about ancient Assyrians. So, if you keep telling me about what is written in the bible regarding Assyrians, I know it, I know it all, and I don't believe in it.It's not only me who is doing this!! Assyriologists of long titles beside their phd's had done that and recently many Assyriologists are acting on the same track.

The matter required such high level standards should be involved in your character to come to such conclusion of believing that something is wrong with the stories of bible(old testament)It wasn't easy to accept it even within myself either, untill I had read it clearly, and I found that the whole matter had been done by purpose, YES by purpose!!Look to some pages in the newly printed bibles and see those BOLD FONTS and RED colour fonts that emphasizing on (Babylon) city as a mother of all whores of this world!!WHY??

The "plant" has extremely deep roots planted in mind of this world for 2000 years!! read the number 2000 years!!I don't expect that people like you and others alike shall believe immediately!!

Now in regard of your info. about 360 degrees it's my pleasure to advise you that your info. was wrong!! Assyrians who invented 360 degrees to measure the circle not Greeks!!Tell the teacher who said it to you he is wrong too.
There is references to what I'm claiming and are available in arabic as well in English.(read Dr.professor Q.Matviv in his book Mesopotamia civilization- 1986).

I'm trying to pass the message to more Assyrians to let them having better understanding to their history.

And in regard of your statement about (GOD ASHUR) was a man in the bible and was not a God.
I accept that but in different way;in the begining Ashur firstly was the name that the mighty God was called by (Ashurians)Assyrians before (Ashurians)Assyrians derived their name from that term.

That's how our first great grandfather king Ashur got his name. So God sent Ashur the man to build Nineveh and Kaleh ( nimrod) also Rehab.
Then our ancestors got their national name through their king Ashur.

If you derive a name you should follow the same sound that relates to the original term. Don't tell me (Yahweh is called Marya, meaning LORD) that's not acceptable!! Take this to get my point; how we derive Ashuraya (Assyrian)and it's original meaning with pronounciation from the first original term?; Ashuraya/Aha-Shuraya/Ashur that's how you derive names to follow the roots of pronounciation Aha-Shuraya means this is the begining, so God was the begining, and Ashurayeh (Assyrians) were derived from the first begining of worshipping the True god.Ashurayeh meant the begining of the written history that starts with worshipping God!! So since the first word was documented by Assyrians that was the time they were worshipping God, no paganism was none ever after!!!!!

take care

Albert Alnasser

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10. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-06-2001 at 01:31 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi(Brother in Aramaic)Albert Nassar:
The words to this Messainic hymn is of Israeli believers in Maran Eashoa called Yeishua Ha Mashiakh in Hebrew. The crucifixiton of Tamuz a diety of the Assyrians called Babylonians in the West, is simmilar to the Crucifixition of Eashoa, but there are many differnces as well. Thye Assyrians impaled people they did not crucify like the Romans did latter. This was a cruel and painful death, but like you said war is horriable, but the assyrians are not a blood thirsty barbarous peopel and had a great civilization. The Epic of Gilgamash is writen on a 9 inch caly tablet around 2400B.C. in Akkadain an exitinct language and the oldest Semetic tongue in the world. It says the gods were jelous of mankind and so ploted wipe mankind of the face of the earth. It is older than the Bible , but it is different from Genesis in being polythestic and in making the jelousy of the gods the reason for the flood instead of sinful man and one divine God. The Word Yahweh may not be related to the Aramaic Marya, but every where the word yahweh occurs in the Hebrew the Peshitta renders Marya why is that? The Aramaic Targums(Translation some what paraphrased) render the word Yahweh as Elaoha, simmilar to the Assyrian Aramaic Alhaha or the Arabic Allah, for God. In Hindusim there are many trinitys like in Christianty similar but they do have a major difference . They believe that the three gods in one are seperate manifestions of that God, whereas in Christianity there is but one God in three persons the triunity not multiplicity of three gods in to different manifestations of one. jehovah's witness mis use these facts to attack the Triunie nature of God. Christianty is not the cause of your peoples fall, the cause is political coruption and the hand of God. Islam is not so good for the Arabs as you think. if that were true they would not be killing their fellow Musliums as much as they due. iraq is a good example, and the Shites and Sunnis attack each other. Agha khan who claims to be a Iman or sucesssor to Muhammud is called kufa, or an infediel worthy of death in much of the Muslium world. Bahallallah the Iranian prophet of Allah was hunted down and his followers excuted for accepting a prophet after Muhammud some thing a Muslium is forbiden to believe in. Zorastrainism was serverly perscuted by the Arab invasion of their nation Iran that most left the country and found refuge in Bombay, India to this day. Yet the average Muslium is a descent person not a fanatic or bloody murder they are suffering from evil govermental oppression and false interpatations of the Quran used to control and manipilate people much like the Byzantine and Roman Catholic Church did in the middle ages.Shlama W'Berkhata(Peace and Blessings in Aramaic ), Sam
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11. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-06-2001 at 03:34 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Albert or "Mr Know it all"

Now that you've confessed you don't beleive in the Bible, please do yourself a favour and don't call yourself a Christian, because the last time I looked in a dictionary the definition of a Christian was of Christ's teaching- beleiving in HIS teaching- and this definitely is NOT YOU.

Also do yourself another favour and don't go to the Assyrian Church Of the East, because the last time I went they were still reading from the Bible, because this will make you a hypocrite- going to a church only to please others.

Also, now that you've confessed "I know it all" do yourself the biggest favour of all and stand for WORLD LEADER, because you can solve all the world problems.

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12. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-06-2001 at 10:43 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Last edited by Albert Nasser on Jun-06-2001 at 12:08 PM (CT)

Well vabra!!!!!

It seems either you are reading by glancing my words, or don't fully understand me!!!!

Be accurate in your reading my posts. My words are accurately linked to give you the exact meaning that serve the purpose of NO MISUNDERSTANDING may accure while you are reading!!

Review my words about "I don't believe in it" and "I know it all" and see "not believing" and "all" in what???? I said about what is written regarding Assyrians in the bible!! and I stated that:" I know it, I know it all"!!!! I limited "not believing" and "All" to serve the meaning of what is written about Assyrians in bible but not every thing in the bible!!! That's why I brought the example of Babylon city mentioned as a mother of all whores of the world printed in bible in bold and Red fonts.

Don't rush vabra in attacking, I still feel your high temper through your replies even we did not start yet!!!

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7. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-05-2001 at 08:33 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Albert,

You say, and I quote,"we know how mighty we were and still we are..." This is such an outrageous claim, because if we were still so mighty, wouldn't we have our own country? It's this arrogant pride that has brought such a mighty nation to nothing. In Isaiah 10:6 The Lord God Almighty is saying "I will send him against an ungodly nation, And against the people of My wrath, I will give him charge, To seize the spoil, to take the prey, And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

Do you understand what GOD is saying here, all the power was from HIM, because HE was angry with HIS beloved ISRAEL, and HE deleivered them into our hands, only WE ASSYRIANS overdid it, and have been paying for this ever since then.

ISAIAH 10:7 Yet he does not mean so, Nor does his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy, and cut off not a few nations.
8: For he says, "Are not my princes altogether kings?
12:..." I Will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria,..."

You might say you don't beleive the Bible, which other book has prohesied so correctly?
You might say, as many older Assyrians say, "Its all a Jewish book full of lies", I think you give the Jews too much credit, because they have prophecied so accurate and have brought us down so well, yet they can not take care of the Palestianians, doesn't this sound funny to you.

Go on and read ISAIAH 14,19 HOSEA 10,11 and NAHUM 3 and I quote NAHUM 3:18 Your shepherds slumber, O King of Assyria: Your nobles rest in the dust. Your people are scattered on the mountains, and no one gathers them. DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR TO YOU.

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13. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-06-2001 at 02:46 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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We are mighty even in our most weaknesses !! When "they" look at our faces they see the continuity of that ancient mighty history!! "They" don't like it!! Our existence still bothering "their" existence!! "They" don't want the history to repeate himself!!
Stop fooling yourself being only christian!!Then what's about your national faith?? How do you introduce yourself to others? Do you say I'm Assyrian? Or I'm christian!! God is for everyone, but being Assyrian is a privilege you have to be proud of it and support it.

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14. RE: ASSYRIANISM ( The Assyrian National Ideology )

Jun-06-2001 at 10:46 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Albert,

When I introduce myself to others, I tell them first my name, after a while they ask me where I come from, I tell them that I was born in Iraq, but that I'm Assyrian, so then the long process of sharing with them who the Assyrians are begins, because most of them don't have a clue who we are. But just because I introduce my name first doesn't mean all the other information is irrelevant.
Albert, my first and utmost allegiance is to MY GOD, because both in the Old and New Testament, the first Law is MATTHEW 22:37 "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." And in DEUTERONOMY 6:5
So I too, like our FOREFATHERS, would GLADLY DIE and NOT DENY HIM. You see all those millions did not die for being Assyrian, THEY DIED for being CHRISTIAN, it was not a question of being Assyrian or Kurdish or Turkish, they did not ask them "Do you want to be Kurd or Turk?" They said to them deny CHRIST and become MOSLEM.
Yes, I am glad to be Assyrian, because it gives me an interesting background, but like I said GOD is first and other things fall into line after HIM.

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Assyria \ã-'sir-é-ä\ n (1998)   1:  an ancient empire of Ashur   2:  a democratic state in Bet-Nahren, Assyria (northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, southeastern Turkey and eastern Syria.)   3:  a democratic state that fosters the social and political rights to all of its inhabitants irrespective of their religion, race, or gender   4:  a democratic state that believes in the freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture in faithfulness to the principles of the United Nations Charter — Atour synonym

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Assyrian \ã-'sir-é-an\ adj or n (1998)   1:  descendants of the ancient empire of Ashur   2:  the Assyrians, although representing but one single nation as the direct heirs of the ancient Assyrian Empire, are now doctrinally divided, inter sese, into five principle ecclesiastically designated religious sects with their corresponding hierarchies and distinct church governments, namely, Church of the East, Chaldean, Maronite, Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholic.  These formal divisions had their origin in the 5th century of the Christian Era.  No one can coherently understand the Assyrians as a whole until he can distinguish that which is religion or church from that which is nation -- a matter which is particularly difficult for the people from the western world to understand; for in the East, by force of circumstances beyond their control, religion has been made, from time immemorial, virtually into a criterion of nationality.   3:  the Assyrians have been referred to as Aramaean, Aramaye, Ashuraya, Ashureen, Ashuri, Ashuroyo, Assyrio-Chaldean, Aturaya, Chaldean, Chaldo, ChaldoAssyrian, ChaldoAssyrio, Jacobite, Kaldany, Kaldu, Kasdu, Malabar, Maronite, Maronaya, Nestorian, Nestornaye, Oromoye, Suraya, Syriac, Syrian, Syriani, Suryoye, Suryoyo and Telkeffee. — Assyrianism verb

Aramaic \ar-é-'máik\ n (1998)   1:  a Semitic language which became the lingua franca of the Middle East during the ancient Assyrian empire.   2:  has been referred to as Neo-Aramaic, Neo-Syriac, Classical Syriac, Syriac, Suryoyo, Swadaya and Turoyo.

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