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Jul-19-2000 at 02:31 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Last edited by Albert Nasser on Dec-11-2001 at 01:12 PM (CT)

It is about the time to correct our history.


Logical analysis

Only based on logical analysis the Archaeological discoveries become unbeatable facts. Only through that we shall find the hidden truth about our history.

What does " Ashuria" represent?

It represents the whole land which called by ancient Greeks "Mesopotamia" which represents the whole Iraq of today,(Not only north of Iraq as many think and argue!!), plus "Dilmon" Bahrain of today, besides "Qatar" Qatar of today, up to Lebanon including syria and jordan,also south of Anatolia "Hikkary" and north west of Persia "Urmee". That was the natural land of Ashuria dwelled by only Ashurayeh whom ancient Greeks called them "Assyrians" and their land "Assyria". Unfortunately we (Ashurians) Ashurayeh people so much influenced and attracted to use our national name stated in Latin or English language. We should stop abusing our national name. We, who should state our name in Ashurian language and let others to call us accordingly, Eventually, we are ASHURAYEH not Assyrians! If we want to say it in English let it be ASHURIANS.

"Ashuria" Land of Ashur was dwelled and ruled only by Ashurian citizens.

All rulers and cities within "Ashuria" Land of Ashur which represented by such as Sumer,Ur, Akkad, Aram (Aramaic), Amorite, Babylonian, chaldean,Elam and Phoenician, those detailed names actually were Ashurians.(1)"There was no such race, neither such a language. For the so-called Sumerian is only the southern dialect of the SAMARRAYI, or the Semites, that is, the real Assyrians".(2)"Neither was there ever a nation of Chaldeans. Akkadians.." .

Logically speaking there is no such thing as chaldeans as a nation.

Please read the undermentioned Biblical paragraphs, and think about the comparison between the titles, why chaldean name was brought among those titles, and why in importance the chaldean title always mentioned the last one.

(3A)Bible/ Daniel 2:2 " Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams...".

(3B)Bible: Daniel 2:10 ">...therefore there is no king, lord,nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or chaldean.".

(3)"chaldeans were speaking an local dialect derived from Aramaic"in this case they were speaking Ashurian language(4) Assyrian dialect called aramaic".
(4A)"The Amorites were not different than the Assyrians; they were merely mountain Assyrians, for the word AMA-RAYI means Shepherd People". (5)"The Elamites were simply eastern Assyrians. The name in Assyrian is derived from EL-AM; that is, People of God."
None of western researchers/Archaeologists stated the reality of them, and never declared the Ashurian identity of those names, but it was stated in other ways like the one mentioned about "Nabonidus" calling Ashurian kings his "royal forefathers"!.

We can easily target contradictions in the following statement, when we know there was no Babylonian language, but it was Babylonian(Aramaic) dialect of the Ashurian language.(6)"In other words, the Empire was each time reborn under a new leadership, with political power shifting from one nation to another...The language of the ruling elite changed, of course first from Assyrian to Babylonian". ?Babylon never been separated land ruled by other nations while Ashuria existed. There wasn't Babylonian language!! It was Babylonian dialect of Ashurian language,(7)"an Assyrian dialect, called Aramaic".(8)"in the real and authentic history of Assyria, there was no such nation as Babylonia, for Babylon was a mere city and district of Assyria".
Babylon was an Ashurian territory, it was dwelled and ruled by Ashurian people, and all rulers of Babylon were Ashurians appointed by the Ashurian kings. Historical evidences stated that 'Nabonidus" ruler of Babylon was an Ashurian from city "Harran" the Ashurian military western metropolis and(9)"his mother was Ashurian "priest" in Harran who had connections with the Ashurian Royal family". The Royal family wont appoints strangers to such super-political positions!! Therefore it is so understandable why:(10)"The Babylonian king(Nabonidus), who reigned sixty years after the fall of Nineveh and actually originated from an Assyrian city,Harran,refers to Ashurbanipal and Esarhaddon as his "royal forefathers."
Who else should call Ashurbanipal and Esarhaddon as his "Royal forefathers"?? Unless he is Ashurian!! And as long as "Nabonidus" said that, what might we think about the national identity of "Babylonians"??. Besides, mentioning the fall of Nineveh should never meant the fall of Ashuria Empire, because the so mistakenly called "the chaldeans" after changing the Ashurian north capitol city to Babylon(south),such change was the continuity of the Ashurian Empire itself.(10A)"Actually, in the final analysis, it had never been destroyed at all but had just
changed ownership: first to Babylonian...".

Keeping saying Babylon and Babylonians as if we are paying more attention to places/locations and areas but forgetting the race of the people and their nationality. Why historians totally ignored the Ashurian race and national identity of people in Babylon? We should look to "Babylonians" as that name related to a location/city, but it had a race and a nationality, which was Ashurian.

The truth is there; what "Nabonidus" stated is our guide, we just need to use the logic to furnish what is beyond. We should never expect that an enemy or stranger might call Ashurians as his forefathers!!

The only strangers in Ashuria were the Jews whom they had been brought to Nineveh city and Babylon city by Ashurian kings "king Sargon ll" and "Nabochudnasser" and we never had read in the history that they had ruled our historical cities or had formed any kind of political power in Ashuria. Showing Babylon as a capitol city didn't mean Babylon was separately ruled out of Ashuria. Some references use to state the title of "Land of Babylon and Land of Assyria" are in a big mistake!!


Historians mentioned that Phoenicians were enemies of Ashurians!! And in the same time they stated that(11)"The chief of staffs of the Ashurian military named "Rab-omur" was Phoenician during the Queen Shamoramat(Samiramis) period".Isn't the second part of "Rab-omur" nearly looks like the third part of an Ashurian name "Pan-Ashur-lumur"? (12)"Pan-Ashur-lumur was the secretary of the crown prince Cambyses under Cyrus II in 530 BC."So, can anyone imagine the most powerful military position, like chief of staffs might be given to an enemy?! Could anyone believe that the Ashurian Queen with her political and administrative cabinet of that huge military experience which ruled the world for 500 years might appointed an enemy for such super-military position!! This was meant that Phoenicians were Ashurians no more no less.(13)"The sea-faring Assyrian colonists, the purple Dressed Merchants of ATUR called Sidunnu, the fishermen whom the Greeks called Phoenicians, from the color of their dress, were no different than the Assyrians of Babylon. Neither the Etruscans, who colonized Italy and civilized the Latins by teaching them the arts of shipbuilding, lumber industry, navigation, masonry, and the art of building".
(14)"The country of the Assyrians borders on Persis and Susiana. This name is given to Babylonia and to much of the country all around...and those people whom in a special sense of the term are called by the men of today Syrians (Syria), who extend as far as the Cilicians and the Phoenicians.


The following is stated about Aramaic:

(15)"The Assyrian Empire extended beyond the Euphrates already in the 12th century BC and from that point on Arameans constituted the majority of its population. In the 9th century BC,Assyrian kings initiated an active policy of assimilation and integration, the goal of which was to put a definite end to the endless revolts that had vexed the Empire in the past. and, above all, the imposition of a single universal language and script, Aramaic".

Lets pay attention to "put a definite end to the endless revolts that had vexed the Empire in the past. And, above all, the imposition of a single universal language and script, Aramaic".
Which logic is that? Trying to drag us to accept the idea of a powerful Empire would threw her script and language for the sake of an invaded "minority"?? Where did the history show us giant civilization with so great achievements had done that??
The so-called Aramaic was Ashurian dialect, and naturally was developed and script by Ashurians themselves.(5A)" Assyrian dialect, called Aramaic". (16)"The Arameans cannot be separated from the Assyrians. They were but a tribe of the Assyrians who lived upon a high plateau".

Aramaic never meant to describe a nationality. There was no such Aramaic nationality in history.
"We have historical evidences stated that the Ashurian language belong to age of 10,000 (Ten Thousands) years" It was the first language ever known by humanity on Earth!! (17)"No nation, ancient or modern, can trace its antiquity farther into the past, that of Assyria. Her recorded history can easily be read upon her tablets millennia before Christ, and her language to that of Adam and Eve".

Some Ashurian great achievements

Ashurians were the most educated nation at that ancient ages, the best thing that other nations had done was learning and copying ashurian culture, many facts could be stated here and are not limited to:

(18)The day 24 hours, 60 minutes per hour,60 seconds per minute, that's an Assyrian achievement.

(19) 7 days a week..That's an Assyrian achievement.

(20) days of the week are an exact translation of Assyrian names.

(21) still calculation of the circle is based on 360 degrees.. that's an Assyrian achievement.
Measuring curves and angles are in a degree measurment!! no one dare to change the 360 degree to 100 or 1000 degrees and all the geometry and engineering sciences were based on those facts which were an Assyrian achievement.

(22)Horoscope/stellar chart to predict future. Scientists before 100-200 years were thinking that such science related to Astronomy. The astronomy science had born in Assyria.

(23)monothesim "one God". The ancient Assyrian spiritual heritage was monothesim, believed in mighty God.

(24)Knitting and Embroidery were invented by Assyrians.

(25)The method of playing guitar with 5 fingers as spanish musicians do, is an ancient Assyrian method.

Harp, trumpet, Aoud, Jowza, Naay (flute), Qanoon, Santour and drum are Assyrian instruments. Western instruments like Guitar, drums, flute, piano, violin, spanish guitar and arabic instruments all those musical instruments were developed based on Ashurian ones.

(26) the word love and heart as a centre for romance was first created in ancient Assyrian songs before 3400 years as was discovered in an archeological mission revealed it's secrets by university of California in 1975.Assyrians were playing 2 tunes per one time to play their musical harmonies.. and they who invented the 7 musical scales of western style not as was mistakenly known had done by ancient Greeks at 400 B.C.

(27) invention of clocks was Assyrian one, and ancient Greeks took it and learned it through their trading communication with Assyria.

(28)"even Greece and Rome were civilized through the medium of the Assyrian alphabet and language".

We, who should state our name in Ashurian language and let others to call us accordingly, Eventually, we are ASHURAYEH not Assyrians! If we want to say it in English let it be ASHURIANS.

professor Researcher Fred Tamimi/The Assyrian - Journal of the Assyrian Society of Great Britain
Vol.1/ No.17 winter 1969.

Assyrians after Assyria for Assyriologist Simo Parpola

The Bible Daniel 2:2, 2:10

1979/ Joan Otis -Babylon- Arabic translated by Samir Alchalaby 1990

Professor Costantin Matveve/The ancient Mesopotamia Civilization 1986-Moscow

an research for Iraqi Musician Naseer Shammeh

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Nov-06-2001 at 09:10 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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What you say is true, and is confirmed by many historians, from Herodotus to Hormiz Rassam.

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