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Church of the East

Feb-26-2001 at 11:54 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-2001 AT 12:19 PM (CST)

Shlama Akhi Yaqub w'Kulkhun,

Just a few quick notes on the Church of the East:


  1. The Church of the East is not a Jewish Church
  2. The Church of the East is not a Gentile Church
  3. The Church of the East is not an Assyrian Church
  4. The Church of the East is a Semitic Church in liturgical practice and linguistic heritage
  5. The Church of the East is a Universal Church (what our Latin brethren would call 'Catholic')
  6. The Church of the East is not a Nestorian Church
  7. The Church of the East, while historically attached to, and descended from, the Sees of Babylon and Nineveh, is not an Assyrian Church, anymore than the Roman Catholic Church is made up of only Romans
  8. The membership of Assyrians in the Church of the East, although historically important, is actually smaller than Indians - who today make up the vast majority within the Church
  9. Historically, the Church of the East has been made up of all ethnicities and backgrounds, including, but not limited to, Jews, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Arameans, Arabs, Turks, Mongols, Kurds, Chinese, Korean, Indian, Persian, Greeks, Armenians, Russians, Japanese, Javanese, etc.
  10. My parish Kahna (priest) is a Sephardic Jew (ethnically)
  11. My Patriarch is an Assyrian
  12. My favorite author and bishop in the church is an Indian
  13. The most revered saint is a Greek

Depending on one's perspective, the COE may be too Jewish, and according to another perspective, it may not be Jewish enough.

In reality, it is neither, and neither is it Assyrian.

I am an Assyrian, a native Aramaic-speaker, who just happens to be a member of the COE, a global Church with a Semitic/Aramaic flavor.

There are other Assyrians who are not Aramaic-speakers, there are Assyrians who are not Christians, there are Assyrians who are not members of the Church of the East - but of another branch of the Church, like the Syriac Orthodox, Chaldean Catholic, or even the Presbyterian or Jehovah's Witnesses.

I hope this posts helps to dispell any myths/misconceptions about the COE.


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1. RE: Church of the East

Mar-17-2001 at 11:59 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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What is your relationship, if any, with the Mar Thoma (St. Thomas) Syrian Christians of Malabar? This ancient Christian community, though now divided into several denominations, have collectively been known as "Nazranees" over the centuries...

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2. RE: Church of the East

Mar-17-2001 at 12:54 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama,

The Mar Thoma Christians of Malabar & Kerala in India have been, since the beginning, in the Church of the East.

In fact, today, the 2 sole surviving centers of the ancient Church of the East are in Assyria & India.

In this picture, the 2 who are clothed in white are Mar Timotheos (on the left) and Mar Aprim (on the right). These are Metropolitan bishops of the CoE in India.

Here is a link with the locations of the Church of the East in India:

http://www.cired.org/ace_india.html

After the Portugues invasion of India, many were forcefully converted to Roman Catholicism, and many others who refused made contact with the Syrian Orthodox Patriarch and began to follow that rite. Many remained in their original jurisdiction.

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3. semetic liturgy

Mar-18-2001 at 08:08 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Paul,...what does it mean that the COE is a "semetic church in liturgical practice"?....peace from down under....michael.....p.s.keep up the good work!!!

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Assyria \ã-'sir-é-ä\ n (1998)   1:  an ancient empire of Ashur   2:  a democratic state in Bet-Nahren, Assyria (northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, southeastern Turkey and eastern Syria.)   3:  a democratic state that fosters the social and political rights to all of its inhabitants irrespective of their religion, race, or gender   4:  a democratic state that believes in the freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture in faithfulness to the principles of the United Nations Charter — Atour synonym

Ethnicity, Religion, Language
» Israeli, Jewish, Hebrew
» Assyrian, Christian, Aramaic
» Saudi Arabian, Muslim, Arabic
Assyrian \ã-'sir-é-an\ adj or n (1998)   1:  descendants of the ancient empire of Ashur   2:  the Assyrians, although representing but one single nation as the direct heirs of the ancient Assyrian Empire, are now doctrinally divided, inter sese, into five principle ecclesiastically designated religious sects with their corresponding hierarchies and distinct church governments, namely, Church of the East, Chaldean, Maronite, Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholic.  These formal divisions had their origin in the 5th century of the Christian Era.  No one can coherently understand the Assyrians as a whole until he can distinguish that which is religion or church from that which is nation -- a matter which is particularly difficult for the people from the western world to understand; for in the East, by force of circumstances beyond their control, religion has been made, from time immemorial, virtually into a criterion of nationality.   3:  the Assyrians have been referred to as Aramaean, Aramaye, Ashuraya, Ashureen, Ashuri, Ashuroyo, Assyrio-Chaldean, Aturaya, Chaldean, Chaldo, ChaldoAssyrian, ChaldoAssyrio, Jacobite, Kaldany, Kaldu, Kasdu, Malabar, Maronite, Maronaya, Nestorian, Nestornaye, Oromoye, Suraya, Syriac, Syrian, Syriani, Suryoye, Suryoyo and Telkeffee. — Assyrianism verb

Aramaic \ar-é-'máik\ n (1998)   1:  a Semitic language which became the lingua franca of the Middle East during the ancient Assyrian empire.   2:  has been referred to as Neo-Aramaic, Neo-Syriac, Classical Syriac, Syriac, Suryoyo, Swadaya and Turoyo.

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