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Akhi Shmuel,

Mar-07-2001 at 12:16 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Shlama Akhi Shmuel,

Why do you not keep the Fast of the Ninevites, as we do? Every year since Nebi Yonah preached to our city, Nineveh, we have kept this fast...till today.

Why do you not keep it?


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1. RE: Akhi Shmuel,

Mar-07-2001 at 08:13 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Paul:
I dso not know its history and the scriptures do not talk about it. If its important knowledge about this historical day should be made known so if it is God's will we should all observe it. Or maybe what your getting at is that i have been overly critical of others not respecting their cultural heritqage and judgeing without all the facts. Then the reason I could give is I do not observe this holyday of yours because it is for assyrians only and not given to all the nations as a whole. But the Scripture is for all people not just the Jews or the assyrians and it should be practised. if the scripture commands for the Israelites to keep this fast then I think we all should observe it , like the Jews observe the fasts of Tammuz on the 17th day and the 9th day of Av called Tishabav in commeration of the sad destruction of the Holy Temple of God the Beita Miqdasha. Shlama Rabbba W'Berkahte. Sam
Sorry if I caused unessary dificulties making poeple have judgemental attiudes about others. I know its not for this form to make critical judgements on other parts of the body of Messiah. I want talk about these personal differences as much and I wont add critical things about others. There is a lot of religious bashing already and we do not need to be adding to it. I apoligize.

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2. RE: Akhi Shmuel,

Mar-07-2001 at 08:39 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Shmuel,

Yes, the fast of the Ninevites is only for the Assyrians. The Prophet Yonah came to us only, so I do not expect you to keep a fast which the prophet told us to keep every year since the King decreed it.

My only point was, God has spoken to different people in different ways throughout history.


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3. RE: Akhi Shmuel,

Mar-07-2001 at 10:08 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Paul:
I realize that. I would like to know how do you conduct the fast of the Nivites and what day is it celebrated on. The Biblical calendar of the israelites is the Babylonian Mooon Cycle of twelve 30 day months with an extra month so often in a 19 year cycle of 30 days. the extra month keeps the solemn Feasts days intheir proper season withthe balance fo the solar and lunar year. Otherwise we would be like the Islamic Lunar Calendar having Passover inthe spring one year and years later in sumer and winter and so forth. But the Biblical Hoydays must be kept intheir respective season , they are often tied with agricultural celebrations as the Baylonian Religions were. Is a fast from Evening to Evening 24 hours without food and water or just food or only one or two meals or what? In the Biblical Fasts they were mostly 24 hours withoutfood or water. however the Fast of Esther equivalent in some ways to the Fast of the Ninavites is kept for 24 hours only , but Esther and her people kept it first for 72 hours or three days. Shmuel Eliezer

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4. RE: Akhi Shmuel,

Mar-08-2001 at 10:44 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Shmuel,

We have the same calendar, the Mesopotamian calendar. The months are the same names, too.

We keep the Rogation of the Ninevites on the 2nd Monday of Shwat (February) for 3 days. Fasting style varies, but usually people abstain from any animal products (flesh, butter, milk, eggs, etc.) for the entire 3 days. Others do not eat or drink for the entire period of time. It depends on the person, their age, health, etc.


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Mar-08-2001 at 12:31 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Paul:
The fasting is interesting in Megilla(Scroll) of Esther she and her maids and the rest of the community fasted without food or drink , for three days and nights in constant prayer. The Orthodox Churches have a period called lent forty days and nights before Pascha, in which as Maran Eashoa fasted forty days and nights in the wilderness while being tempted by the Shatana and Moshe (Musha) also fasted forty days and nights when receiving the Orayata(Torah) from Allaha (God) on Har Sinai, they abvstain from all foods of animal origin for 40 days and nights. I know this is seldom observed any more due to harships and the lack of commitment of the Orthodox Church today. Timothy Ware rights about it in his book The Orthodox Church. Do you also observe this period the Church Father called Lent? If so, how is it observed? Shlama Rabba W'Berkhhate, Shmuel Eliezer

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6. RE: Akhi Shmuel,

Mar-08-2001 at 01:09 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Shmuel,

Yes, we observe what the Latin rite calls 'Lent', but we do it for 50 days, for a reason I cannot remember right now. I will have to research it.

It is the same way, people refrain from animal products for the entire time, with meals and water taken only during the evening.


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