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Akhi James Trimm.....

Sep-05-2001 at 02:18 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Shlama Akhi James,

I've done some digging and found some historical information on the connection between the Nazarenes in Jerusalem and the CoE in Babylon.

The works cited are from Church of the East historian Solomon of al-Basra ("The Bee" (ed. with ET by E. A. W. Budge, Oxford, 1886) and C.F. Burkitt (Eastern Christianity, pp. 28 f. G. Westphal, Untersuchungen ber die Quellen und die Glaubwrdigkeit der Patriarchenchroniken des Mari ibn Sulaiman, `Amr ibn Matai und Saliba ibn Johannan (Strassburg inaugural dissertation, Kirchhain, 1901), pp. 38, 40, 44, 46-48. ) and finally Westphal (Patriarchenchroniken, p. 30.).

According to ancient sources quoted in the above works:

  • Mar Abris, who was Patriarch of the CoE in Seleucia-Ctesiphon (Babylon) from 90-107, was a relative of the Virgin Maryam. He was elected in Jerusalem and sent to serve as Patriarch in Babylon.
  • The very next Patriarch was Mar Abraham, who served from 130-152. He was a relative of James the Just, was consecrated in Antioch and served in Babylon.
  • And finally, Mar Yaqub, who served from 172-190, who was related to Yosip the carpenter, was sent from Jerusalem to Babylon.

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1. RE: Akhi James Trimm.....

Sep-06-2001 at 11:25 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Thanks. The folowing is a rough draft of a sub-section in my History of the Ancient Nazarenes:

The Dynasty

The leaders of the Nazarene movement were a sort of dynasty sorrounding Yeshuas family. There were however good reasons for this. In his discussions of the Nazarenes Epiphanius mentions that Messiah Yeshua was heir to King Davids throne as King Davids seed:

Davids throne continued to exist until Messiah himself
The royal dignity coming from our Lord Yeshua the Messiah
From the fact that he is of King Davids seed
Yaakov having been ordained at once the first Bishop (Nasi)
he who is called brother of the Lord and emissary, Yosefs
son by nature he is Davids stock through being Yosefs son

Following Yaakovs death in 63 C.E. the Nazarenes chose his relative Shimon as his successor as Eusebius writes:

After the martyrdom of Yaakov those of the emissaries and talmidim
of our Lord, that were yet surviving, came together from all parts with
those that were related to our Lord according to the flesh. For the greater
part of them were yet living. These consulted together, to determine
whom it was proper to pronounce worthy of being the successor of Yaakov.
They all unanimously declared Shimon the son of Cleophas
They say he was the cousin of our Saviour, for Hegesippus asserts that
Cleophas was the brother of Yosef.
(Eccl. Hist. 3:11)

It should be noted that the Ketuvim Netzarim mentions a Shimon who was the SON of Yosef and BROTHER of Yaakov. It is possible that THIS was the Shimon who succeeded Yaakov as heir to the throne. At any rate the second Nasi, Shimon was also a Yeshuas relative and it seems that the office of Nasi among the ancient Nazarenes was passed along the dynasty of the heirs to King Davids throne. Shimon dervrd as Nasi until 110 C.E. During his time in office Rome became particularly concerned that heirs of King David including grandchildren of Yeshuas brother Yhudah might still exist. Vespian had earlier attempted to wipe out any such heirs. In 94 CE the Emporer Evocatus had the two sons of Yeshuas brother Yhudah brought before him. They confessed to being Davids heirs but upon examination the emporer found that they had only a small amount of money between the two of them and that they had calluses from farming a mere thirty-nine acres which they farmed to suppor their family and pay their taxes. When asked about Messiahs Kingdom they indicted that it would only appear at the end of the world. The emporer dismissed them as simpletons (Eccl. Hist. 3:20). It is likely that Justus who succeeded Shimon in 110 C.E. was one of these two sons of Yhudah (Eccl. Hist. 3:35).

This dynasty of the heirs to Davids throne extended beyond Jerusalem and had an outpost in the Parthen Empire, outside of the power of Rome. The overseer of the assembly at Babylon from 90-107 C.E. was Adon Abris who was said to be a relative of Miriam the mother of Yeshua. He was said to have been elected at Jerusalem and sent to serve as overseer in Babylon. He was succeeded in Babylon by Adon Avraham who served from 130-152 C.E. and was said to be a relative of Yaakov HaTzadik (James the Just). Also another overseer of the assembly at Babylon was a certain Adon Yaakov who served from 172-190 and was said to be a relative of Yosef the step-father of Yeshua. He also had been sent from Jerusalem to serve as overseer of the assembly at Babylon.

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Sep-06-2001 at 03:29 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi James,

Sounds good. I'm trying to locate a copy of the book by Solomon of Bassarah, which details all these things. I'll let you know when I am able to find it, I have an email in to Dr.'s Kiraz and Abdul-Messih regarding it.

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