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Romans 8:2 & 8:11

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Romans 8:2 & 8:11

Jan-24-2002 at 03:56 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Last edited by Paul Younan on Jan-24-2002 at 04:02 PM (CT)

Shlama Akhay (especially Iakov),

For more proof that an adjective modifier can change the gender of a noun construct - check out Romans chapter 8 verse 2 in the Aramaic of the Peshitta.

Here, we find the phrase 0yxd 0xwr ("Rukha d'Khayya" - "Spirit of Life")

Now, 0yx (#6974) means 'life' and the gender of this adjective is masculine - so we would expect to see that it is treated in this verse as such.

In fact, we do. We are told that the "Spirit of Life sets you free" and the verb used here, <rrx (#6008) , is in the masculine.

Now - why is it that when we skip to verse 11, we find that the verb for "dwells in you" , 0rm9 (#15964) is feminine?

The answer is simple and what I've said all along - in verse 11 - 'Rukha' stands alone with no masculine adjective modifier.

Finally, we see in verses 26 and 27 that the 'Spirit' is referred to in the Feminine - because, again, that word is alone with no modifiers. This is very different from the Greek, which treats the 'Spirit' as masculine in these 2 verses.

That's how Aramaic works. It's very simple.

The grammar of Yukhanan 16:13 in the Peshitta is perfect Aramaic grammar - while the scribe of the OS looks like a bumbling idiot.

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1. RE: Romans 8:2 & 8:11

Jan-24-2002 at 07:22 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Paul,

>are told that the "Spirit
>of Life sets you free"
>and the verb used here,
><rrx (#6008)
>, is in the masculine.

I think I understand that the noun changes gender as dictated by the adjective modifier. This would work on other nouns as well; if only I had the time to research the PNT. Thanks for your help.

>Finally, we see in verses 26
>and 27 that the 'Spirit'
>is referred to in the
>Feminine - because, again, that
>word is alone with no
>modifiers. This is very
>different from the Greek, which
>treats the 'Spirit' as masculine
>in these 2 verses.

Actually akh the Greek reads neuter 'auto to pneuma', "the spirit itself"-translated in English as 'himself' so as to refer to THE SPIRIT. Otherwise the text should read 'autos to pneuma' to be translated 'himself', although that would be horrible Greek {e.g. the thing himself-sounds bad, yes?). It is better on English ears to translate as 'himself'.

Then again in v27 'to phronema tou pneumatos'-"the mind of the spirit" is also neuter.
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