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Assyrianism

Aug-28-2000 at 01:41 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Last edited by Albert Alnasser on May-31-2001 at 08:05 PM (CT)

Dear Assyrians

For a long time something attracted me in our christian faith, which it seems doesn't work to support Assyrianism.

Is it a coincedence that Islam religion works for Arab nation, while christianity works only against Assyrianism!!

For how long we should just watch christianity apart our nation, discounting our national values from our lives, while Islam religion gathering Arabs nationally!! Is it our christian faith meant to destroy our national values? Our churches made it, and became TOOLS to shutdown Assyrianism!!

There is something wrong; Assyrians do not realize that something in christianity is designed to shutdown Assyrianism.

We should oriented our believe in christianity this way:"NO CHRISTIANITY WITHOUT ASSYRIANISM" to prevent our people considering christianity more important than Assyrianism.

We born as Assyrians, we had known GOD before christianity, historically we had taught this world spiritually about GOD and the creation before thousands years.

Yes, all spiritual acts in Assyrianism had been quoted to christianity!! It's an act of ignorance if we ignore the true God in Assyrianism and to praise the same God in christianity!!!!Is there any logical explanation to that?? Unless it's a trial to drag the truth from Assyrianism and had spread under different topic; (christianity)!!

He is the same GOD, we had known him before any other creature on this Earth. What changed in this GOD after we converted to christianity!

christianity is the same conception of Assyrianism, or it's the Assyrianism itself but with those little changes which designed to work against Assyrianism.

I TRUST IN GOD AS AN ASSYRIAN, I BELIEVE IN GOD AS I KNOW HIM FOR THOUSANDS YEARS AND THAT IS MY POWER IN MY FAITH. REMEMBER ALWAYS ASSYRIANISM IS ALSO BELIEVING IN GOD. IT IS NOT ONLY NATIONAL IDENTITY BUT IT'S BOTH.

I just want to emphasize that we had our religion; it was in our Assyrianism, that's how GOD called us"...and Assyria the work of my hands" Ishaia 19:25.

GOD knows us as his worshippers and as Assyrian followers to him, that's how our name came from his name ( God Ashur/Ashuraya (Aha Shuraya/A-Shuraya/Ashuraya ) which means "The begining", God is the begining,the begining of creation!!This concept was quoted to christianity in the bible. Read John 1:1 " In the begining was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God.".

He THE MIGHTY GOD did not send Jesus to lecture his worshippers. Jesus came to destroy paganism of other nations, that's why Jesus said " The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgement with this generation, and shall condemn it..." Matthew 12:41. So, according to what Jesus said we easily could conclude that ancient Assyrians were not pagans.

Please read carefully and understand that ancient Assyrians hadn't changed their faith in GOD due to Jesus appearance!! Such holy appearance should be considered as a continuity to what ancient Assyrians had believed in.

We should analyse the mechanism of above details. How ancient Assyrians believed in Jesus appearance? Was there any sign previously mentioned in their religious ideology refering to such appearance??

We may propose that ancient Assyrians from their own religious heritage had the knowledge of the Star of East as a sign of Jesus's birth, and that was mentioned in the Bible.

Read Matthew 2:1-2" Now when Jesus was born in Beth-le-hem of Ju-dae-a in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem. Saying, where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him".

How did those wise men had known about such sign, as they were from East? Who else know about prophets in the East, the persians were pagans worshipping Fire!! And Assyrians were worshipping God.

That's how spiritual acts of Assyrianism were quoted in a different way in the bible.

The point is for some "unknown?" reasons Assyrianism had been changed to christianity and it was left to The Time to occupy the place of Assyrianism.

Why then Assyrians can't accept Islam?? It fullfill the same purpose of calling for GOD? Because nothing about Mohammad mentioned in our ancient religious heritage, but Jesus was known for ancient Assyrians.


Unfortunately, the killing point that had apart our nation is the christianity title.
Assyrianism was sole method, did not encourage our people for multi-methods in their faith to GOD. If that was continued the future of the Assyrian nation wont be the same as today.


Albert Alnasser

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1. RE: Assyrianism

Feb-16-2001 at 06:54 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Albert Alnasser,

I'm a new comer here and i was interested with your explanation about Jesus christ. Would you mind to send me a copy of books/a source that explain about assyrian religion and has been told that Jesus Christ is a HOLY prophet.

Thank you.

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2. RE: Assyrianism

Mar-07-2001 at 01:15 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Rudolf

Sorry for my very late reply..Actually I stopped temporarly surfing the internet for several months,while asking you to accept my apology for such delay, I'm happy that you were interesting in my above topic.

Dear Rudolf
What you had read is my idea based on my researches in several books that referes to the religion topic of ancient Assyrians.

You shall never find what I have written in any book.
Those ideas are my analysis based on new logical viewing of some hidden facts in bible and other books.

I refer you to read what is mentioned about Jonah chapter 3:5 " So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast..."!!!!!Wasn't Jonah preaching about our mighty God in that time which was documented as it happened in 850 B.C during the period of the Assyrian king "Tiklat-Bilasser the 3rd" before Jesus exists? So it's quite understandable that Assyrians knew God before christianity.
Assyrians still and till this day proclaiming that fast for three days while now are christians in faith and we call it in Assyrian language " Ba'aotah Deninewayeh" in english "The Rogation of Nineveties".

Dear Rodulf

what you are asking for is spreaded in many books as such phrases that I quoted from The Bible.
And regarding Jesus christ himself I refer you to read a very intersting story about how was the idea of Jesus was developed as was quoted from the Assyrian ancient religion..I'll mention this for you incase you might not find it.

The book title is called "Civiliazation of Mesopotamia" written by our Assyrian writer professor Matviv Qustantin.1986-Moscow.

"The ancient Assyrian documented story is about "God Tammoz" who died and returned back to life again was quoted to christianity.
This God was arrested and turtured while questioning then was taken to the mountains. At the same time there was a criminal beside him.
this documented story was known publicly in 1917 and was testfied by one of the Catholic church's fathers his name "YERONIM" who lived at the fourth century.".

After giving you the background of Jesus the real Jesus who is in my believes existed more than 2000 years who was "Tammoz" and had been changed to "Jesus", I might say that any talks about prophets in that time was documented by ancient Assyrians and that's how they knew about coming of Jesus without being informed by any other nations.
We may propose that ancient Assyrians from their own religion documents had the knowledge of the Star of East as a sign of Jesus birth, and that was mentioned in the Bible.Read Matthew 2:1-2" Now when Jesus was born in Beth-le-hem of Ju-dae-a in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem. Saying, where is he that is born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him".
Please pay attention to "there came wise men from east"!! Based on biblical fact that shows ancient Assyrians knew mighty God,don't you think that those were Assyrians whom they were expecting Jesus appearance by the sign of the star of east as those wise men mentioned that!!Why I identifing them as Assyrians, that because they were the only nation at that time knows about God and prophets.

I hope that I gave you an idea about some hidden facts in Bible which most Assyrians not paying proper attention to them.

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Albert Alnasser

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3. RE: Assyrianism

Apr-19-2001 at 07:59 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Albert,

In your article on Assyrianism you sound very confused, you claim that Assyrians knew God, before Jesus existed. Your confusion comes from the fact that you are SEPERATING Jesus and The Almighty God of The Old Testament. In MATTHEW 12:41, JESUS IS MAKING THIS CLAIM, "The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed ONE GREATER THAN JONAH IS HERE".
And why do you think in MATTHEW 5:17 JESUS is saying "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. And from verse 21 HE is saying "you have heard that it was said .... BUT I SAY ....." So what He is saying here is that He is the same Yesterday Today and Forever.
And again in REVELATION 1:8 "I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END.

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4. RE: Assyrianism

Apr-21-2001 at 11:36 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear David7

I have no confusions in my ideas.You might be for the first time reading that Assyrians had known mighty God before christianity exists.and also not after Jonah's preaching!! So you could'nt accept such idea for only one reason which is your strong believes in christianity.

you, yourself believe that Assyrians they (repented?) at the preaching of Jonah!! Don't you think that Assyrians (repented?)for the mighty God and not for idol gods??!! wasn't Jonah preaching for the name of mighty God?? That story was documented as been happened at 850 B.C !!!!!! Before christianity existence.
Yes, Assyrians had known mighty God before Jesus, and take these extra evidences:

1- if you believe in christianity then you believe in Adam & Eve story. Do you know that this story was documented by Ancient Assyrians for thousands of years before christianity and became part of the holy bible. That story was actually part of the ancient religion of the ancient Assyrians.Important discoveries regarding this subject were made by the late Fred Tamimi the Assyrian Assyriologist in 70's of last millennium.

Assyrians had taught ancient nations like china civilization and Maya civilization(india)about Adam & Eve story and that was discovered in their archeological antiquities.

2- "Ba'aota Ninwayeh" that fast proclaimed for mighty God not for idols!!That proved Assyrians had known mighty God before christianity.

3- read Ishaia 19:25 wherethere God blessing Assyrians saying "Blessed Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands..." We should realize that God blesses goes only to those whom they beleived in him, but not to those who worships idols??!! That was meant that Assyrians had known God before christianity too.

4- read exodus 27:2(the old testament)where God advise Moses to add 4 horns on four corners of the temple.." And thou shall make the horns of it upon the four corners...",
Do you know that the palace of the Assyrian king Ashur-Banipal had horns upon his four corners too!!(see Babylon, for Joan Otis 1987).

So, if putting horns on buildings was an holy featur inspired by God,don't you think that Ancient Assyrians before Moses for thousands years had known that of God inspiration!!!?? and that was again had took place before christianity for a very long time!!

I can mention to you more and more,but I'll stop at those above 4 historical/biblical mentioned facts.

David:
God blessing you as an Assyrian no more no less and you will be identified in heaven as an Assyrian!! God knows you and he blesses you as he blessed your forefathers whom their name as Assyrians was mentioned in the holy bible more than 150 times!!!! Being God believers as we are the first nation on this Earth recognised by God for thousands of years and before christianity, actually this is the power that we have in our faith.

Today we believe in God through christianity, but yesterday (thousands years ago)we believed in God through Assyrianism, nothing changed, he is the same God,we are the same people, but one thing changed since we became christians in faith,we lost our national faith and our land!!...Think about it, and discover why we have different churches fighting over what we had known without those churches!! Our faith was Assyrianism and had been changed to christianity title with some modifications that deeply injured our national faith and made us to forget our nation and our land and trying to build a country for us there above in the sky!!!!!!!!


God bless you

Albert Alnasser

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5. RE: Assyrianism

Jun-03-2001 at 04:28 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Albert:
The Babylonians were a kindgdom long before Assyria existed in 2400B.C. established by Sargon the Great who conquered the Sumerian Empire before him. The Assyrians worshiped in idolatry to their destruction by the Babylonians in 606BC. Their religion was one of polythesim many gods and godesses like Marduk, Enchi, Isthar, Shamash(the Sun god)and ect. It wasn't to after the birth of Maran Eashoa that by the first century through Syria not Iraq(Assyria,or should I more accurately say Kurdistan)that both Christianty and Judaism made there way into the East. When in 650A.D. the Persians fell to the Arab kingdom of Islam many people converted to Islam the ancestors of the Assyrians no longer a existing group at this time converted to Islam as well. But there were many who remained Christian and Jew alike refusing to convert. They were over taxed and persecuted as a result. Yet they still survive.The only Aramaic speaking peoples in the world are non-Muslium why is this? because Islam forced Arabic down peoples throat and resented the culture of Aramaic before being far superior to anything the Arab culture could add. the Arabs were jealous and angry as a result. They forced Aramaic out of existence to some great extent and pushed Arabic as the language. The only reason Aramic has even surrived this far is due to isolation in the mountains and little contact with the Arab world. The Arab Muslium fanatics are friends of no one , in fact they willl kill their own people over petty diferences like Shite and Sunni , Kurds, or Turks and ect. as well. Islam is proven today to be a vilent religion of hate, they do not obey the Quran or care about the teachings of Muhammud. their evil governments are all about using religion to control and rule the people. I have no love for fantics rather they are Jewish, Christian, Muslium, Hindu or ect. This intolerante genocide of minority groups has got to stop. Even in Afghanistan they are trying to force people to identify their religious beliefs , so they can persecute minorites like Hindus, and Buddists not to mention other. They have already smashed many ancient ruins of Buddism in Afghanistan today and are no good at all. In the sixteenth century the invasion of Northern India by the Moghols of the Sultinate of Dehli (islam killed many Brahman priest, tore down Temples and slaughted thousands of people. Even to this dasy Indian people have a strong hatred and distrust towards Musliums for what their ancestors did to the Indian people. Shlama W'Berkhata, Sam

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6. RE: Assyrianism

Jun-03-2001 at 07:09 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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dear Sam,
I don't agree with Albert's views on what he has written in most of his letters, but I think your wrong on "Assyria didn't exist until 2400B.C."

In the Bible in Genisis 2:14 Assyria is mentioned, and this is the beginning of creation.

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7. RE: Assyrianism

Jun-03-2001 at 11:43 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Samuel

I'll just reply to your first line.

Read this book" Babylon" for Joan Otis 1987.
You'll find how wrong you are.
It stated that Nineveh the greatest city in the ancient world, easily those archeologists could follow the great past of that city which goes deep to the 6th millenium B.C. while babylon was never known even as a small village.Actually was not mentioned even untill the end of the 3rd millenium B.C.

By the way there was no such thing to be called as babylonians!! They were Assyrians living in Babylon city as Babylon was from the begining part of Ashuria (Assyria).
There was no such Babylonian language!! It was babylonian accent of Assyrian language.

After 1000 years from invention alphabet and writing you should realize that babylon language was shapped from Akkadian "language?" as it's mentioned in the same book (babylon) which was the akkadian accent of the Assyrian language.

Assyrians in Sumer wrote their language in shape of codes (read the same book).(as short hand writing of today) that's why dosen't looks like in form of the Assyrian alphabet.

take care

Albert Alnasser

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8. Some Verses

Jun-04-2001 at 08:31 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."
**Note that Christ didn't say, go and make disciples of all nations excluding Assyrians because they already believe in me

"Why do the nations rage/and the people plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand/and the rulers gather together against the Lord/and against his Annointed One."
** Note that when Peter and John repeated David's prayer in Acts, they didn't append their prayer by mentioning that Assyrians were God-fearing worshippers who did not plot against the Annointed One

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
** Note that when Jesus said these words, he did not say that the gospel would not be a testimony to the Assyrians, because they are already God-believers and in no need of the Messiah.

"The Root of Jesse will spring up,/one who will arise to rule over the nations;/the Gentiles will hope in him."
**Note that this verse, mentioned first in Isaiah 11:10, does not mention that Assyrians will not be ruled over by the Root of Jesse because they believed in God already and don't need Christ to rule over them.

My dear albert, it is so clear from the few verses I've posted that all nations are in need of Christ. All need to experience salvation by Christ alone, all need to give their lives to God who loves us so much. What archaeology, Albert Nasserism, or Assyrianism, or whatnot, can be greater than the love of Christ that sweeps all nations? If you reply, I challenge you to stay within the parameters of this post and reply only to the scriptures i've posted. No tangents please! We've had enough of them.
Later -
julia

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9. RE: Some Verses

Jun-04-2001 at 08:58 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi J Sorisho:
There are descenants of the Assyrian peoples but none is a pure Assyrian since in 606 their Empire fell to the Babylonians which felll to the Persians and to the Greeks, and back into the hands of the Persians under the Sarsaniad Empire which lasted to 650A.D. when the whole Empire fell to Islam and the invading Arab forces. Since that time all the peoles were intermarried and mixed. The religion of the Area known as Beith Naharin(Mesopotamia) believed in Polythesim from the people of Sumeria that its the land of Shinar in Genesis after the flood and was changed to Babel,meaning the Gate of El(God). the Babylonians borrowed the Sumerian script of Cuniform(Wedge shaped letters), and changed their language from Sumerian to Akkadian under Sargon the Great in 2400B.C. The Peshitta does not even metion Ashur(Assyria) to much later as an Empire in 732BC. they lasted to the fal of Nineveh in 616B.C. If they are the same people find, but I studying Biblical Archaelogy have no proof of this. Their religion was polythestic not monothestic like the Sumerians before them only the names of their gods and godesses were changed. This is like the Greeks and Romans in their mythology. Even the Quaran mentions two Angels Haurut and Maurut names of two Babylonian or Assyrian dieties in Archaelogy Maurut is identified with Marduk a Babylonian diety. Even Israel went astray on Alaha and worshipt these foreign gods. Even if people had remainded true to Alaha they still would need Maran Eashoa or they would all be condemed. As you know mankind can never be acceptable and righteous before Alaha , since Alaha is pewrfect and we are not. When we speak of a person being righteous we only mean by comparision to another person, but compared to Alaha there is not one righteous no not one. So Alaha becomes incarnate as a man lives among men and He alone being perfect in righteousness dies for the sins of humanity. Now it is only a matter of our repentance and confession of Maran Eashoa and what He has done for us that makes us justified before Alaha, other wise we remain already condemed. Yes, I am fully aware that in Islam like the Parsi before them believe that good and evil deeds are weighed on a scale of divine justice upon one's death and if one has a surplus of good one goes into Paradise if not one goes into eternal torment or Hell. this is usported by the Quran which sees no need of a sacrifical atonement known as vacarias Atonment of one man dying for all of humanity. But as a Christian I know they are mistaken. You see a price for sin which is deathe must be paid otherwise Alaha is unjust and can not be perfect. Only Alaha Himself as the incarnate Word could pay this debt, since he alone is qualified none else. Amen,Alamin. Shlama W'Berkhata, Sam

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10. RE: Assyrianism

Sep-20-2001 at 09:47 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Last edited by LAZAR on Sep-26-2001 at 09:09 PM (CT)

Dear Albert, my brother in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Greetings to You.

I am new to this game and after reading your replies to many questions and remarks re Assyrianism, I have a question of my own to ask you.

What do we as Assyrians answer to Jesus Christ or what must we prove to Jesus Christ, to inherit the land that cannot be defiled by lies, decite, hatered, adultry, gambling, jelousy, boasting, gossip, murder, drugs, chastisy, evil doers, pain..I could go on and on, but you get the idea. And you know what my dear brother, theses charecteristics are found in 99.9% of our dearest Assyrians (including you and I).

I am proud to be an Assyrian and born from an Assyrian mother who has taugh me JESUS CHRIST. That's right, that mother is my Chruch. I am proud of any mother whose first and formost goal is to teach Her sons and Daughter, JESUS CHRIST. This is beacuse it is Jesus we are going to face one day not any of the Great Assyrian Kings, who will face JESUS themselves and try to inherit the Land their God has made ready for whoever believes in His Only Begotten Son, The Lord, God, King and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Therefor my dear brother,You seem very inteligent and I ask you as an elder/younger brother to use your inteligence to gain our Assyrian Nation the Everlasting land, KINGDOME OF GOD.

Luke 12:31 "But rahter seek the KINGDOM OF GOD and all these things shall be added into you."

God Bless You
P.S Please pray that the Assyrian Nation (including you and I), be worthy to even face JESUS on that awsome day.

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12. RE: Assyrianism

Dec-20-2001 at 03:14 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Sam,
I wonder what you meant by your statement that Babylonians were a kingdom before Assyria existed? Historically, it has been well established that both the Assyrians and Babylonians, as Empires we know today, came from the first real empire in the world, that of the Akkadians. There was no empire in the region we knew later as Babylonia until after the Akkadians have in essense given birth to both Assyrians and Babylonians. The early inhabitants of Babil mentioned in the Bible are not necessarily of the same stock of the Babylonians who established the Babylonian Empire later. In the Land of Shinar (Sumer) there existed small city states like Eruck, Ur, and yes Babil. These city states were hardly portrayed as kingdoms in history and were in constant battle with each other until the Akkadians united the entire region politically. It is very interesting that the Akkadian King Sargon was referred to as Sargon I, while the Assyrian King Sargon was referred to as Sargon II. Does that tell you something? In addition Sargon I, the Akkadian, left us inscriptions referring to his city as that on the Euphrates and not the Tigris. Understanding the path of the Tigris and Euphrates in Iraq should explain the point behind why I mentioned this since it should give us a hint to where the powerful Akkad was. And then we have the Bible mentioning that out of the Land of Shinar went forth Assur and built Nineveh and other cities.

If you like to argue this point any further, please present your argument while providing some historical and scholarly quotes, and I will be more than happy to discuss the issue further. Thanks.

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11. RE: Assyrianism

Dec-08-2001 at 09:50 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Mr. Alnasser:

You are a loyal son of Assyria, and I in no way question that - you do have the best interests of your people at heart, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, please don't blame the Church or christianity on the lack of Assyrian national support - on the contrary, the reason the remnant of Assyria exists today is because of Christianity. Had they accepted Islam, they would have been washed away like so many other peoples - God protected Assyria because of the Church, and God does love Assyria, and He's not through with Assyria yet - great things are to come. You just have to be patient and let God work, and He will fulfill his promises to the Assyrian nation. He's brought them this far, and we should all be thankful for God's prvidence in that. Shlomo, my friend

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13. RE: Assyrianism

Jan-28-2002 at 06:27 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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- (Genesis, Chapter 2 verse 14)
The name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria.

* If babylonia, sumeria, Akkad or whatever (which were all the same people) existed before Assyria or if they were different from Assyria then God would have said east of "babylonia" or "Sumeria" etc..

* This is in the Genesis, the begening of the world, so the Assyrians must have exsisted much longer than 1350 BC.

- (ISAIAH Chapter 10 verse 5)
The Lord said, "Assyria! I use Assyria like a club to punish those whom I am angry. I sent Assyria to attack godless nation, people who have made me angry. I sent them to steal and trample on the people like dirt in the streets.

* These verses show us that Ancient Assyrians did know God and that God sent them to punish godless nations.

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14. RE: Assyrianism

Jan-29-2002 at 08:40 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Iysin

You brought an excellent conclusion based on Biblical facts..And thank you ,you proved me right in my analysis in another topic (Ashurians in History) when you mentioned that"* If babylonia, sumeria, Akkad or whatever (which were all the same people) existed before Assyria or if they were different from Assyria then God would have said east of "babylonia" or "Sumeria" etc..

You uncovered another hidden fact that without using Logical analysis will be difficult to understand the Assyrian history.

BTW Assyrians indeed were existed much longer than 1350 B.C.

If the Assyrians of Sumer could study the orbit of "planet X" which took more than 3600 years to come near our planet Earth and go back inside the deep space, then imagine howmany civilizations Assyrian had based on planet X orbit that allowed them to have a complete study of such orbit!! Just think about.

Albert Nasser

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15. RE: Assyrianism

Jan-29-2002 at 09:25 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Thank you Albert Alnasser
I found this intresting site which has video clips about the sumerians.
If you want to check it out go to the following site.
http://www.mars-earth.com/sitchin.htm

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16. RE: Assyrianism

Feb-15-2002 at 09:36 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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I notice lately, with regret, that many of our so-called Assyrian nationalists - or are they in fact Assyrian fanatics? - attack on a continual basis Christianity (in one form or another) and our Assyrian religious leaders. Have these intelligent people got it so wrong after dealing with the wrong side of our Assyrian politics or is it that they have become addicted to hearing what Moslems have been doing all around the world, and they think that this is heroism?
One thing that these people should know and understand and hopefully accept once and for all, is the fact that if it wasn't for Christianity and our Assyrian Church and its leaders, we would've lost our Assyrian language for certain and then lost all sense of Assyrianism. Let me point out that thousands if not millions of Assyrians have converted to Islam once it covered the Middle East. Those (who were Assyrians once) have lost their Assyrian language and identity and have on the whole become the most ardent enemies of Assyrians and Assyrianism. No Assyrian except a Christian one has kept his/her Assyrian language alive together with Assyrian traditions and culture. Who kept teaching the Assyrian language all this time in our ancestral lands other than the clergy and their leaders?
No one could, for there were no schools as such, no teachers and no help from anywhere. That's where our Assyrian Christian leaders come in. They kept our language and traditions alive, and that was more than they could do under those harsh conditions. Alright, I know they are only human and as such they will have many flows and make many mistakes, but who doesn't? Only those who actually and really work, make mistakes, the ones who don't work except talk, may not make mistakes.
I'm not a religious fanatic by all measures. I don't go to church very often, but I will not ever speak harshly against any of our Assyrian Christian religious leaders, for this, I consider a sort of treason against our Assyrian nation represented by its National Christian Religion. After all, what good does it do to continuously attack and oppose them except to show how we Assyrians do not tolerate anyone within our Assyrian nation and for no reason at all.
I also believe that our Assyrian forefathers DID know God and worshipped him long before Christ came to earth, but why use this belief to denigrate our Assyrian religious leaders?
It's time that we Assyrian laymen and women use our common sense and Assyrian nationalism and Christian faith to put aside our age-old hatred of those who have worked for us (and themselves as well) for the benefit of all of us (including them), and stop being almost childish in our wrong analysis of the reasons why we Assyrians have reached this intolerable state in our nationhood. There are other reasons, you know, and those reasons are the real essence of our downfall. More on that later.

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Assyria \ã-'sir-é-ä\ n (1998)   1:  an ancient empire of Ashur   2:  a democratic state in Bet-Nahren, Assyria (northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, southeastern Turkey and eastern Syria.)   3:  a democratic state that fosters the social and political rights to all of its inhabitants irrespective of their religion, race, or gender   4:  a democratic state that believes in the freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture in faithfulness to the principles of the United Nations Charter — Atour synonym

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Assyrian \ã-'sir-é-an\ adj or n (1998)   1:  descendants of the ancient empire of Ashur   2:  the Assyrians, although representing but one single nation as the direct heirs of the ancient Assyrian Empire, are now doctrinally divided, inter sese, into five principle ecclesiastically designated religious sects with their corresponding hierarchies and distinct church governments, namely, Church of the East, Chaldean, Maronite, Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholic.  These formal divisions had their origin in the 5th century of the Christian Era.  No one can coherently understand the Assyrians as a whole until he can distinguish that which is religion or church from that which is nation -- a matter which is particularly difficult for the people from the western world to understand; for in the East, by force of circumstances beyond their control, religion has been made, from time immemorial, virtually into a criterion of nationality.   3:  the Assyrians have been referred to as Aramaean, Aramaye, Ashuraya, Ashureen, Ashuri, Ashuroyo, Assyrio-Chaldean, Aturaya, Chaldean, Chaldo, ChaldoAssyrian, ChaldoAssyrio, Jacobite, Kaldany, Kaldu, Kasdu, Malabar, Maronite, Maronaya, Nestorian, Nestornaye, Oromoye, Suraya, Syriac, Syrian, Syriani, Suryoye, Suryoyo and Telkeffee. — Assyrianism verb

Aramaic \ar-é-'máik\ n (1998)   1:  a Semitic language which became the lingua franca of the Middle East during the ancient Assyrian empire.   2:  has been referred to as Neo-Aramaic, Neo-Syriac, Classical Syriac, Syriac, Suryoyo, Swadaya and Turoyo.

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