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#0, To Akhi Jdrywood
Posted by Andrew Gabriel Roth on Feb-20-2002 at 04:35 AM

Shlama Akhi Jdrywood:

Let's take these one at a time shall we?

1) Do not call me "Lord" even in jest. I am a fellow brother and not an exalted teacher, which is why I am called "akh"=brother. We here have only one LORD, Yeshua Ha Moshiack. As for my "master hebrew/Aramaic skills", I don't like your tone there either, but I will accept the judgment of my peers here as to the level of my understanding and will continue undeterred by your sarcasm. You also ignore the fact that I am not the only one here who disagrees with you on virtually every point, and yet you have selected me and attempted to intimidate me by telling me you will be "gentle" with me and make a "simple" argument, presumably unless I "get out of line". I assure you such tactics cannot work on me. If you are determined to stand by what you feel is the truth, then all I ask for is the same privilege. I think that is only fair.

2) Now for Bereshit. 18:1 says YHWH appeared before Abraham. Not an angel of YHWH--YHWH Himself-- or will you say that YHWH cannot do as He has chosen and promised to do? The other two visitors though ARE ANGELS and they are sent to Sodom, (19:1). And "Peshitta OT Tenakh" (which is a redundant phrase BTW) SAYS MARYAH IN 18:1. It's just one in SEVEN THOUSAND after all.

3) You are also looking at roots that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE. "marah" means "bitter" , "mar" means "mister" or "sir" in Hebrew, or "lord" with a small l, if you will.

4) You have NOT dealt with the seven thousand references where MARYAH=YHWH. You have NOT dealt with the fact that Thomas fulfills your criteria by calling Y'shua both "master" and God (Alahi). And it seems that when the facts fail you, they are followed by false deprecation. Show me ONE PLACE where I called you "un Christian" or "stupid". I have dealt solely with facts and not resorted to name calling. The language says what it says.

5) Now I know you won't believe this, but I will try anyway. NO ONE'S THEOLOGY, NOT MINE, NOT PAUL'S AND NOT YOURS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE TEXT SAYS. I'll prove it to you. Recently there was a falling out here with a gentleman who I agreed with theologically--but guess what?-- I OPPOSED HIM LINGUISTICALLY AND TRANSLATIONALLY EVEN THOUGH HIS CONCLUSIONS FIT MY VIEWS. Why? Because he did the same thing you are doing. You are saying that because your theology is X, the text must say X even though you do not know the text. If the text says Y, then those who tell you this (ROUGHLY ALL OF US) must somehow be wrong. That sir is DIRTY POOL. I don’t care what beliefs you have. A Shiite Muslim could come here and say that, based on his frame of reference from the Koran, he disbelieves the NT. Fine. I say "Allah akbar and salaam" to him. BUT NEITHER HE NOR YOU WILL DICTATE TO US WHAT THE ARAMAIC NT SAYS SOLELY BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEFS. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

6) If you don't believe me, listen to Paul who is a native Aramaic speaker. We are lockstep on this issue (and we disagree on very, very little and none of it is translational in nature). Again, whatever your views, keep them, but don't tell us the text can't say what we all know it does. And I join my voice to Akhi Keith and say that you need some serious prayer.

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth