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Message ID: 14

#14, RE: Aramaic is the Key
Posted by Iakov on Mar-12-2002 at 00:32 AM

In response to message #12

Shlama Yukhanan,

> You may be
>onto something here ahki but
>don’t tell ahki Paul.. I
>like you have detected some
>elevation in the Peshitta that
>expands the titles of Jesus.
>Hebrew 6:3 from ‘theos’ to
>‘marya’

Yes. Another way of saying the same thing, exept in Peshitta it is more personal.

and Acts 1:1
>from ‘Iesous’ to ‘meshihka Eshoa
>maran’ are examples of elevation of the Byzantine text.


From Jesus to Jesus Messiah our Lord???
How is that elevated? Jesus is a name not a title.
He is called Lord (Kurios) and Christ (Xristos) in the Byz. as well.

>There has to be a
>lot more examples like these.
>Marcion in Asia and Valentinus
>in Africa (150C) were Gnostics
>who dropped many titles ‘Jesus’
>and ‘Christ’ and ‘Lord’ but
>the easterners tendency was to
>elevate the titles applied to
>Jesus. The middle ground is
>the Byzantine text.

And middle ground between the mountains and the sea is desert, much like that of Byz. Byz. editing has been demonstrated as also KJV has shown itself schizophrenic from one family of texts to the other. Peshitta has been right on with early p mss as Paul earlier noted the complete hoax of the woman caught in adultery is noted as missing from the earliest most reliable mss. Yes the Byz. text corrupted the NT by their ficticious editing.

Therefore, Tatian may
>have been responsible for elevating
>the Peshitta

We can ask akh Paul but my understanding is that Peshitta has very very few variances. What does Tatian have to do directly with the Peshitta?

to counter the
>Gnostic school at Alexandrian who
>were conflating the titles.

Really. The papyri who call him Lord, Messiah, Christ, The Word. Looks like they have their share of titles.

My studies of the Peshitta these pass few weeks have verified what I had suspected though I haven’t yet determined the evangelcal seat of each.

Yes many people stay as they were before they arrived, few receive, as many are called...

John at Patmos and
>Polycarp held

What???? Polycarp association with John makes his statements the same as the apostle's???


the Byzantine-Syrian autographs
>at Ephesus/Smryna until 155C.

Yea right like there are Byz texts from then, hence again showing true colors.


>Alexandria had no autographs that
>we know of not even
>via tradition.
The Byzantine-Syrian text
>was copied in Latin around
>120C. than Gaulic by the
>Assyrian Ireneas. By comparing the
>early latin, Greek Byzantine and
>Aramaic Peshitta there should be
>common grounds for originality among
>these.

You say that like its matter of fact when in reality your suppositions have no proof. Fortunately the p texts are theearliest mss in existence bar none. This is a fact without trying to reconstruct the past.

All the Payprii are
>too variant

Yet they agree more w Pehitta than Byz.


Shlama,
Yaqub