#16, RE: Aramaic is the Key
Posted by Iakov on Mar-12-2002 at 08:31 AM
In response to message #15
Shlama Yukhanan,>But did you notice the
>confusion of MarYah =
>deity when applied to an
>angel of verse 11 who
>appeared before Zacharias yet is
>called ‘malacha’ in verse 13.
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No the angel is not called 'malaka' the Aramaic term for angel is 'malaka' (malak in Heb.).
'Mlaka d'Mar'Ya'-Angel of the Lord. As Paul, Dean, and Andrew indicated one must take some time and learn the language before jumping into half baked judgements. Come on in Yukhanan the water is fine.
>Then we learn this angel
>had a name in verse
>19 and was sent to
>speak glad tidings that is
>as an ambassador for deity.
>In fact, this is rehearsed
>in verse 26: ‘the angel
>Gabriel was sent from God
>unto a city of Galilee,
>named Nazareth’. Oh! Oh! Sent
>from ‘alaha’
Yes. It is good when they are sent from God and not some other source.
then to top
>this off the two deities
Shma Yisrael YHWH Elohenu YHWH ekhad.
>are co-joined in verse32: ‘the
>Mar-Yah alaha (Lord God) shall
>give unto him (Jesus) the
>throne of his father David’.
>What’s this non-sense about possessing
>David’s throne and reigning over
>the Jews for ever and
>a never ending kingdom. This
>has never happened!
Sure he did. Did he not conquer the Roman empire? He did. Did they not bow the knee and call him Lord? They did. The prophecy stated that Shiloh must come before the sceptor departed from Judah and so it did as the sceptor departed in the first century-into the hand of Messiah.
Besides, you
>guys slice deity up like
>a potato
Shma Yisrael YHWH Elohenu YHWH ekhad.
and place David’s
>kingdom in the sky. Then
>you argue that this baby
>is very deity called Mar-Yah
> in Luke 2:11 as
>if deity could be born.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
>Do you realise how ridicules
>this sounds, how very pagan?
>Now if you take all
>these appellatives and apply the
>same to singular entities, there’s
>no confusion. Deity called Mar-Yah,
>alaha or Mar-Yah alaha sends
>representatives to speak on his
>behave and causes a miracle
>or two to produce a
>unique individual with his own
>qnoma and personality
I can see you have not paid attention to Paul's posts on Qnoma. I know you don't care aboput the facts since your mind is made up however Paul has gone to great lengths to explain the original meaning of an ancient term. Since your mind is made the wealth of this language will elude you.
that makes
>him special and calls this
>baby Jesus who is to
>redeem the kingdom of David
>and be Israel’s king in
>the future on this earth
>than maybe we have arrived
>at the true meaning of
>his new name the Mar-Yah
>Jesus Mshikha, bonifide Saviour of
>mankind. Now how does this
>name differ from the almighty?
> Well that’s easy. Only
>Deity is called YHWH and
>his beloved creation is called
>Mar-Yah Jesus Mshikha.
You came to this conclusion after a month of becoming acquainted with Peshitta? Your blinders keep you from understanding a simple thing such as this. Mar-Ya has been attributed to YHWH and Y'shua.
The identity
>of Jesus is not lost.
> I see two separate
>identities and every son of
>God also will have separate
>identities and a new name
>given them. Maybe yours will
>be marah Iakov or marah
>Paul or something unique like
>Iakovel or Paulel. Aren’t we
>getting a little blasphemous in
>calling Jesus GOD? After all
>mar Paul says: ‘this man
>is the power of Alalah’
>Ac 8:10 and do I
>have to remind you that
>in his exalted state at
>this very moment at God’s
>right hand and as our
>mediator he is called ‘human’
Isaiah 9:6 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB)
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Shlama,
Yaqub