#29, RE: there is a difference
Posted by Paul Younan on Mar-19-2002 at 09:17 PM
In response to message #27
Shlama Akhi John,>I admire your tradition and upbringing
Thank you. As you can tell, I am a typical specimen of that world-view. As such, I am fiercely attached to, and will defend to my dying breath, that world-view and tradition no matter how large the opposition.
>and think its wonderful that
>it has been preserved in
>a country that tolerates your
>religious views and mine although
>we are 180 degrees apart.
It's actually quite new to this country. Less than 100 years ago. I am very thankful that the freedoms in this country allow me to freely practice what was forbidden in my own homeland. But make no mistake about it - this is a totally Semitic viewpoint that has its origin in neither Europe nor its children.
>I see a major flaw
>in your chart that even
>you are not able to
>see because your background and
>tradition will not allow you
>to.
That's true of anything.
>From my vantage point
>and Byzantine tradition the COE
>are no different from Roman
>Catholics or Orthodoxy because all
>of you divide the Godhead
>into three parts regardless of
>specific abnormalities among you.
In that regard the CoE is no different from any of the other ancient traditions - only different in terminology that's used. We formulate according to Semitic linguistics in contrast to even other middle-eastern churches which were influenced by Hellenism and Greek linguistics.
>When two Jacobites/Marionites visited our church
>recently and handed me ‘Marganitha’
>to read, I compared it
>to your COE ‘four Qnome’
>and creeds and thought it
>strange that people could be
>divided over trivial definitions and
>man made commandments centuries from
>the apostles.
"Four Qnome?" We have no "Four Qnome." We have Three Qnome in one God.
>And then I
>thought about the persecution and
>intolerance suffered for the name
>of Christ in this troubled
>world among these groups and
>realised how different I was
>not having the same persuasions
>yet believing.
Amen. This very issue is what got Nestorius exiled to the desert of Egypt where he later died.
>We both are
>bias by our traditions
Yes, we are.
>and
>I believe Christ died for
>us knowing our weaknesses.
Absolutely.
>But
>there is one difference between
>our fellowships that will always
>separate us as brethren and
>that is that CHRIST DIED
>FOR HIMSELF which deity cannot
>do in order to save
>us.
Christ did not die for himself. This teaching is a total stranger to the scriptures. Christ died for you and I.
And we agree that diety cannot die. That's where Qnoma comes in. Christ's human Qnoma died on the cross - not the divine Qnoma.
You are attacking a straw man of your own making.
>And then I thought
>how Jesus must have felt
>when after three and 1/2
>years of preaching, feeding multitudes
>and showing great signs and
>wonders in the earth, literally
>pouring out his cup, that
>after his passion only 120
>followers could be counted who
>met in that upper room
>as his friends.
Yup. We agree.
>If so
>few from so many were
>drawn to the master how
>much less can we expect
>to be transformed by words
>in conflict.
That's why it's so important to study the Message in the original language it was revealed in. There is no conflict in words in that language.
No straw men.
>So let your
>light shine on whomever it
>will by any means that
>even ahki Yukhanan might see
>more clearly the beauty of
>holiness in our promised Messiah.
>The Sun is shinning.
Yes it is - go out and enjoy the first day of spring and think of how wondrously God has made our world so that our human Qnoma can observe the beauty of all His creation.
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