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Message ID: 11

#11, RE: Where do angels fit in the chart?
Posted by Paul Younan on Apr-01-2002 at 09:31 PM

In response to message #9

» Last edited by Paul Younan on Apr-01-2002 at 09:37 PM (GMT3)

Shlama Akhi Keith,

Thanks for your prayers. Mom is slowly improving and they are still trying to "wean" her off of the ventilator. Hopefully this most recent attempt will be successful.

I'd love to meet up with you while you're in Chicago. Do you still have my home/cellular number? I'll email you.

>I don't know how to reproduce
>your chart yet because I'm
>still a computer illiterate.

No prob. I've included it below. If you're using Microsoft Windows - just right-click on the image, scroll down and select "Properties" and then make note of the "Address: (URL)" of the image. You can then type this "Address: (URL)" anywhere in the text of your message and it will show up. The URL should begin with https://www.atour.com/media/ followed immediately by 20020302AIM100201.gif



>I wish I could reproduce it
>though because I'd like to
>know where you would place
>angels in it. Do
>they have a different "kyana"
>than humans and God? How
>about their "qnoma"? What about
>their "parsopa" since they can,
>at times, take on human
>form?

Yes, they would be a completely different set of Kyana, Qnoma and Parsopa. Another "column", if you will.

> I'm really not ready with
>all my questions yet, but
>I wanted to get a
>few in before the Tuesday
>deadline. Can we resume
>this same thread after the
>two weeks are up?

Yes, hopefully all of our messages will be "intact" after the move.

>Do all species have a "qnoma"
>or just God, angels, and
>humans?

All species have different natures, exactly like in English thought. For instance, the natures of dogs and cats are different. This word, "Kyana", is almost identical in thought to the English "nature."

So as the nature (kyana) of humans is different than the nature (kyana) of God, so too all different species have their own Kyana (nature.) Anything that exists has Nature~Kyana.

Here's the difference, though, between the Aramaic and English. In Aramaic, "nature~kyana" is an abstract. It cannot instantiate a "person~parsopa" since it's an abstract concept.

In contrast, in Western thought there isn't that middle level of "Qnoma". In Western thought we go directly from Nature to Person, the "Person" being the direct instantiation of a given "Nature."

In Aramaic, this is impossible since Nature is thought of in the abstract. A Qnoma, then, is an instantiation or an individuated instance of Nature - a concrete realization of an abstract concept.


>According to Aramaic understanding
>when we are indwelt by
>the Holy Spirit is it
>His "qnoma" that takes up
>residence within us?

Yes, the Qnoma which is known as the Holy Spirit takes up residence within us. The Holy Spirit is one Qnoma of the divine nature. The Holy Spirit Qnoma is God, as the Father and Son Qnome are God. Note that Qnoma does not mean "person~parsopa."

>Where would spirit (ruach) fit in in
>this chart (not Spirit just
>spirit as in our spirit)?

The scope of the chart, as it's currently drawn, is limited to "Nature~Kyana" and how that "Nature~Kyana" manifests itself in a "Person~Parsopa."

Here's some new stuff:

A Qnoma (of any given type of Kyana) has characteristics which are collectively common to all members of that Kyana. One characteristic of the human Qnoma is that all humans have a fleshly body and a spirit. That fleshly body is just dust from the earth. Spirit~Ruach~Rukha is that which animates the body. In it's simplest meaning Rukha literally means "breath." It also has the broader meaning of "spirit" as in the English "spirit."

Think of "flesh" and "spirit" as two characterstics of the human Qnoma.

>How about "nefesh"?

"Nefesh~Napsha" is simply a description for living, breathing and rational "soul." A good English equivalent is "soul". A "soul" is not a "spirit", just a description for our living, breathing rational existence.

>Paul, I may be in the
>minority here but, I think
>that chart is a stroke
>of genuis and has helped
>me tremendously in my attempt
>to understand this "qnoma" thing.

Thanks!

> If you could take
>the time to add the
>"ruach" and "nefesh" into the
>chart in their appropriate places
>before Tuesday so I can
>print it off I'd appreciate
>it.

I'll try to tonight - but if we go offline before I can get to it then I will definitely do it when we come back online.


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