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christianity is designed to shutdown Assyrianism!!

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35. RE: SORRY, THERE IS SUCH THING AS ASSYRIANISM

May-24-2001 at 00:24 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Ohh, so let me get this straight Nasser...
you have no credentials what so ever?? In other words you don't have any degree of any sort (i.e. Ph.D. in Assyriology, or archaeology??). Or for that matter, and correct me if I'm wrong, you can't back your argument by any crediable literature and references?? So now Mr. Nasser, who's argument is idiotic and doesn't hold water? You are asking us in this age of science and technology to disregard all the archaeological evidence and almost a whole century of research and study about ancient Assyrians and their daily living and worship ( and let me state this, all written on volumes of clay tablets upon clay tablets maybe in the hundreds if not thousands, hence my 'friend' it's called archaeological evidence), you want us to disregard all this and throw it all in the trash can?? This really shows how educated of a person you are. Have you even ever had the chance to read any of these clay tablets, or let me ask you this...do you know how to read and write ancient Assyrian cuniform language??? If the answer is no, then where in the name of 'Assur' (just to make you happy) are you getting your information from?? It was those scholars that spent all of their lives unearthing the Assyrian culture,clay tablets containing detailed description of eveyday living, war and worship, buldings and palaces from the ground, and it was those scholars that spent all of their lives translating the cuniform writings of our ancestors NOT YOU, Nasser. Let me ask you another question...if a person has meningitis (which i think thats what you have right now affecting your ability to reason), who would that person go to for help and advise? Ofcourse most reasonable people would say to neurologist (somebody who spent all of his or her life in that field of study), but to people like you the answer might be to go and seek advise and help from the garbage man. If a patient has a diabitic retnopathy, or say a retinal detachment, who do you think they would go to? The optholmologists, and optometrist ofcourse, not some Joe Shmoe, from the streets, right otherwise these people would go blind. That's what you are asking us to do essentially. You are asking us to take what you are throwing left and right in the air as 'truths' without any evidence what so ever. You have NOTHING my friend absoulotly NOTHING without any credible evidence, unless you want to pull us back to the dark ages....then that's a different story my friend, and I don't think niether I nor any reasonable person would want to be in the darkness led by a blind stuborn person like YOU. I am sorry to be the one to burst your buble, you are NOTHING until you prove otherwise, sources my friend sources and evidence. If you don't have those then I have another suggestion for you show me a miracle (our christ for example raised the dead) show me any of the above two and I'll be the first follower in (Nasser newfound religion)...without any one of the above your word and that of a homeless losser person on the street is equal to me. By the way is your name known on any national or international level? Be it scinetific, political, social or educational so that if I was to use your name as a referecne or use any of the information you are presenting to us as facts in higher level intelectual discusions (in the circle of Ph.D's of poly sci, archaeology, history, and theology proffesors) I will not be laughed at and mocked. Now you can see how NIL you are.
Now to the heart of your discusion (which is christianity the reason as to all the massecars that befallen on Assyrians and it's the reason why we don't have a country right now), just that statement in itself is ignorant and speaks volumes about the ignorance of its owner. The Assyrian and Babylonian empir and states fell and were destroyed around 700 years before christ. Their people were sloughtered by waves of invasion and conquering by the neighboring Persians first, that ruled that area for few hundred years, then by Romans and Greeks. And the Assyrians let me add, were slaughtered bruitaly to the degree of extinction not because they were chiristians (this is 700 B.C. we're talking about) but because they were Assyrians and because these neighboring nations were awaiting the fall of the Assyrian empire for hundreds of years with an eye on brutal revenge from the Assyrians since they were the conqouering power that conqouered and invaded their nations for hundreds of years. Thousands upon hundreds of thousands of Assyrians were killed during these years that neighboring countries took turns invading mesopotamia (all this happening in those 700 year after the fall Assyrians and Babylonians), and all this before the time of christ. The only surviving pockets of Assyrians that were left by the time Christ came were those small pockets of Assyrians living in the mountains of Hakkari and northern Iraq. And these statements that I'm making are not from my book or Nasser book, these are facts in history books supported by again, archaeological and historical evidence.
More interestingly 'my friend' and contrary to what you and people like you would like to blaim christianity on everything, there are historical evidence that shows that when Islam came into existance, Mohamad and his troops made a peace treaty with those Assyrians left in mesopotamia and whom took christianity as their faith (church of the east known back then as nestorians or Nassarah) and they were spared and their churches and monasaries not touched due to that treaty and due to mohamad's order. More interestingly there are historical and archaeological evidence that shows that churches and monastaries of (Nestorians) or church of the east continued in Abassite period and even flourished which was the period that Islamic power was at its peak. As a matter of fact there are many churches in Baghdad and central Iraq that dates back to that period. They also used the christian Assyrians as translators of Greek and Roman languages to translate these texts into Arabic and many of them were highly regarded and even had high positions.
As to your claim that the Tatars, only targeted and slaughtered the Assyrians, is also a falsy. The Mongols and Tatars, were an invasion and conquering force, that slaughtered whoever stood in their way and resisted their invasion, and hundreds of thousands of muslim arabs were also slaughtered. And since Assyrian Christians were not a threat to their invasion and did not resist it they were spared. There are still evidence that even shows that the churches that were established by Assyrians through out the orient were not touched or destroyed, and even during this era Assyrian churches had Patriarchs and bishops through out that region. So Mr. Nasser time and again you show your illitracy and ignorance by throwing statements left and right that are not backed by any evidence.
So my friend, I don't see where your stuborness, ignorance and empty statements come from. Statemnets that have no basis or support in anywhere in the world but in your (puney un educated head and brain).
If you need to busy your empty life with something worth while, why jump on the band wagon of blaming the church....look first around you on the national level. If there are one million Assyrians left in the world, maybe half of that number is divided into political parties and organizations. Why don't you get involved in trying to bring these thousands of political organizations together each with nothing but an empty retorhic. As opposed to the number of churches that we Assyrians have which are less than five (speaking of major ones). If you can unite all these hundreds of political parties and social or national Assyrian organizations, then the unity of these few churches will come automatically (since we are the ones who make up these churches).
If your are, Mr. allnasser that nationalistic, why propose destructive ideas and poisioning thoughts that serve nothing but more division and hate. Why not get involved for example Mr. Nasser in stirring up the Assyrian masses, here in the U.S., into building Assyrian schools that teach Assyrian language, culture, heratage and history. Whithout which the new generations growing up here in the west will be lost in this huge melting pot. Or better yet get involved in fundraisers to support scholarships for Assyrian students shooting for higher education, or for those Assyrians that arrive newly to this country and in need for help and jobs. Do you want me to keep going on how many more good things we can do for this nation rather than to just simply sit behind the computer and advocate burning churches. You are the one who needs to wake up from the darkness you live in into the practical reality and true needs of our people. Do not think I spent all this time just to reply to your (baisless not supported by any facts mumbo jumboo)...but to make my fellow Assyrian brothers and sisers aware and warn them to not believe everything put on the web by uneducated people like (your self) that can't support a word of what they say. But to be honest with you, I am not that worried because countless individuals like your self have came by and gone without leaving even a single speck of dust on any of the history books. Just because simply illitracy leads its owner no where but to oblivion. Oh and by the way, I want you to remember two names very well, Ninwaya that's my nick name that I go by not because I want to be fancy but because I was born in Nineveh (Mousel)and because the fire of both 'Omtanayotaa' and christian faith of our great Assyrain fore-fathers and ancestors before me had burn inside of me. And the second name is Zack Samo, which is the real name. And by the way I'll give you my address too, in case you deciede to drop by I will be extremely happy to SEE YOUR FACE. 3102 S. Wabash Ave. Apt. 305. The reason why I tell you to remember these two names because I don't just sit behind the computer and live and talk empty dreams and none sense ideas...I work on my dreams and achieve them. And lets see in ten year time whoes name will be more famous in the Assyrian community and national political arena...that of Ninwaya or that of Al-nasser. And the reason as to why I'm saying this is because I'm certain you will still be NOTHING and NIL.
Have a Happy and empty dreams and life.

P.S. This is the last time I spend on responding or reading any of your meaningless posts so do as you may, because I'm not lowering myself again to your uneducated illitrate level and just because I have ten million other useful things in my life to do, unlike you in which you wait for posts like this one to busy your meaningless life with.

TAKE CARE

Zack Ninwaya.....................................

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