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Feb-13-2001 at 11:54 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Thank you for returning the photos. I will not make little pink sculptures of you for sale. However, there is a piece, inspired by you, which I think will make an excellent award. It will be in the "No Clue" category and will be called an "Aprim" in your honor. I'll send you photos of it when it's done and see if you"ll add THAT to your site.

Speaking of sites, it's a little barren around here isn't it? Is it your idea to protect people by boring them into a state of torpor? Posting here is akin to dropping a note in a bottle and casting it on the Pacific.

Let's review things in a calm manner...there I was happily crushing egos and popping vanities till you came along and promised me a site from which I could continue. I was hesitant because one should always be wary of Assyrians who happen to be Christian bearing gifts. Most of our people are good at talking, very good, in fact so good they've taken to considering it a substitute for action.

The fact that I've never mentioned how busy I am or brought up family difficulties should not be taken by you to mean that I have lots of free time or no family. I sent the photos and was content to wait as long as necessary for you to make the site. You'll remember that I didn't seek you out desperate for a place to show my work. In fact I was dreading being added to your "stable of stars". I thought it was a sacrifice I could bear, and would have too.

It was the automatic little censor you'd put in place to delete what you also don't "approve" of which sent me into orbit. It isn't that you "dared" censor my great musings...hell I was used to that already from Peter BetJasmine. It's that you didn't take the trouble to warn me that I could expect more of the same, and even worse, from you...that's what blew me away. I don't mind your trying to gussie up this wasteland of a fine arts site you've created...I'm flattered to think you wanted me badly enough to "put up" with me and my immature tirades.

Your patronizing little suggestions about how I could solve this problem, this penchant, of using dirty little, naughty little, words was more insulting...not to me personally, but to the cause you purported to be serving, than I could bear at the time. It's just that I'm pissed at myself for buying you at your face value.

You're slicker than most because you have a better command of the English language than most. You know how to present yourself, to say the right things in the right way to sucker even one who prides himself in being "clever", someone such as yours trooly. You didn't deserve all the venom I spilled on you even though you had it coming.

You and Paul and other such "intellectuals" are content to be the cream de la cream of a pretty rancid bunch of "upper crust" types we have. You satisfy an urge in us to believe we've created thinkers and dooers and shakers. Take your web site which has enough categories to choke a cow, enough to convince people that something meaningful is going on. Yet, when you examine it closely it turns out to be the same recycled Christian nonsense about who said what how long ago to whom. Your "Arts" and culture sites are as barren as the Gobi Desert...and is it any wonder? You really have nothing to do with Arts or culture. Your own behavior towards tham shows that. You want a certain "look", a certain nice presentation...you offer free advertising space for some otherwise barely competant "artists' to tout their achievements and brag to each other.

The true underpinnings of what makes for Art and creativity would be a mystery to you. They certainly don't come without a price, without some controversy or inconvenience. You also settle for the semblance of things not the actual things themselves. Your patronizing attitude about something as potentially significant as the uses of speech speaks for itself...if there were someone by who understood such things. But there isn't and that's the whole point behind your site and those of others: You are making a place where like-minded people can come to share ideas grown old and stale centuries ago. Nothing fresh, nothing meaningful and certainly no change, can be expected from that direction. You really are making a tea party on the deck of the Titanic as it sinks and anyone who tells you it's sinking will be asked to leave.

Enjoy this howling wilderness you've made and called peace. Who, with any blood in hie veins or fire in the belly would bother coming here for "Art" or "Culture". This is what these things become when left in the hands of people like you and Paul. You're both "nice guys"...that's just the trouble with you.

parhad

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1. Solutions

Mar-05-2001 at 04:34 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-2001 AT 04:45 PM (CST)

See my replies below, after each of the paragraphs from your original message.


Fred Parhad: Thank you for returning the photos. I will not make little pink sculptures of you for sale. However, there is a piece, inspired by you, which I think will make an excellent award. It will be in the "No Clue" category and will be called an "Aprim" in your honor. I'll send you photos of it when it's done and see if you"ll add THAT to your site.

SARGON: The photos were returned to your place of residence as promised, I'm glad you've received them.

Fred Parhad: Speaking of sites, it's a little barren around here isn't it? Is it your idea to protect people by boring them into a state of torpor? Posting here is akin to dropping a note in a bottle and casting it on the Pacific.

SARGON: Consider the fine arts section a direct reflection of your inactions. While we are gradually building an Internet presence to eventually bring tangible results, you have continued to ridicule our artists, belittle our scholars, and offer virtually no positive solutions or plans for betterment. So, instead of your constant venomous rhetoric, is it possible for you to create an Assyrian Fine Arts Union, made up of Assyrian artists OR will you continue in your self-destructive ways?

Fred Parhad: Let's review things in a calm manner...there I was happily crushing egos and popping vanities till you came along and promised me a site from which I could continue. I was hesitant because one should always be wary of Assyrians who happen to be Christian bearing gifts. Most of our people are good at talking, very good, in fact so good they've taken to considering it a substitute for action.

SARGON: I took the initiative of contacting you in hopes of bringing awareness to this monument delimma, this one gesture speaks volumes for action. As for your "people are good at talking... it's a substitute for action" comments, you exemplify (defined) it since you continue to post your rhetoric-filled messages.

Fred Parhad: The fact that I've never mentioned how busy I am or brought up family difficulties should not be taken by you to mean that I have lots of free time or no family. I sent the photos and was content to wait as long as necessary for you to make the site. You'll remember that I didn't seek you out desperate for a place to show my work. In fact I was dreading being added to your "stable of stars". I thought it was a sacrifice I could bear, and would have too.

SARGON: I do not wish to prolong these discussions as I'm certain your wife and children have been tormented enough by your sporadic nature. Why must you believe that one need's to feel desperate to show their work? Why wouldn't you accept the help of a professional systems developer? Yet, you continue with your downward spiral to oblivion by stating "I was dreading being added to the "stable of stars", effectively ridiculing our talented artists.

Fred Parhad: It was the automatic little censor you'd put in place to delete what you also don't "approve" of which sent me into orbit. It isn't that you "dared" censor my great musings...hell I was used to that already from Peter BetJasmine. It's that you didn't take the trouble to warn me that I could expect more of the same, and even worse, from you...that's what blew me away. I don't mind your trying to gussie up this wasteland of a fine arts site you've created...I'm flattered to think you wanted me badly enough to "put up" with me and my immature tirades.

SARGON: Your referring to this Assyrian Conferences (forums) system. There are guidelines to adhere to as is the case with all website forums on the Internet. If you choose to use profanity, your messages will be deleted. It's not personal, it's simply called guidelines. Lastly, direct contact was made with you in hopes of bringing awareness to the monument delimma, as that was the main reason of my initial phone conversation.

Fred Parhad: Your patronizing little suggestions about how I could solve this problem, this penchant, of using dirty little, naughty little, words was more insulting...not to me personally, but to the cause you purported to be serving, than I could bear at the time. It's just that I'm pissed at myself for buying you at your face value.

SARGON: Face value in this scenario is when one person says he will help an artist bring awareness to the monument delimma AND the other person devalues the gesture for petty (pathetic) reasons.

Fred Parhad: You're slicker than most because you have a better command of the English language than most. You know how to present yourself, to say the right things in the right way to sucker even one who prides himself in being "clever", someone such as yours trooly. You didn't deserve all the venom I spilled on you even though you had it coming.

SARGON: I don't blame you if you feel this way towards me, perhaps it has been a while for you to meet someone with honesty and sincerity.

Fred Parhad: You and Paul and other such "intellectuals" are content to be the cream de la cream of a pretty rancid bunch of "upper crust" types we have. You satisfy an urge in us to believe we've created thinkers and dooers and shakers. Take your web site which has enough categories to choke a cow, enough to convince people that something meaningful is going on.

SARGON: With respect to all the members of the development team, this communications system will bring tangible results in the near future. Of course, I'm sure you will be reluctantly pleased.

Fred Parhad: Yet, when you examine it closely it turns out to be the same recycled Christian nonsense about who said what how long ago to whom. Your "Arts" and culture sites are as barren as the Gobi Desert...and is it any wonder? You really have nothing to do with Arts or culture. Your own behavior towards tham shows that. You want a certain "look", a certain nice presentation...you offer free advertising space for some otherwise barely competant "artists' to tout their achievements and brag to each other.

SARGON: See previous remarks regarding Fine Arts. You, however, continue your downward spiral to oblivion by ridiculing more people.

Fred Parhad: The true underpinnings of what makes for Art and creativity would be a mystery to you. They certainly don't come without a price, without some controversy or inconvenience. You also settle for the semblance of things not the actual things themselves. Your patronizing attitude about something as potentially significant as the uses of speech speaks for itself...if there were someone by who understood such things. But there isn't and that's the whole point behind your site and those of others: You are making a place where like-minded people can come to share ideas grown old and stale centuries ago. Nothing fresh, nothing meaningful and certainly no change, can be expected from that direction. You really are making a tea party on the deck of the Titanic as it sinks and anyone who tells you it's sinking will be asked to leave.

Enjoy this howling wilderness you've made and called peace. Who, with any blood in hie veins or fire in the belly would bother coming here for "Art" or "Culture". This is what these things become when left in the hands of people like you and Paul. You're both "nice guys"...that's just the trouble with you.

parhad

SARGON: The very fact that there is a Fine Arts section here, should give you a hint of an idea that we consider art an important part of a civilized society. Personally, as a systems developer, I wait for artists such as yourself to envision and develop an Assyrian Artists Union, whereby artists join together and display their galleries to bring awareness and to help young student artists.

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2. RE: Solutions

May-16-2001 at 08:49 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi Sargon:

Looks Parhad did a problem here too.
did you band him from your forums?.

A. Shmoel

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3. RE: Solutions

May-16-2001 at 12:36 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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hello Amira,

Thanks for your message. There was no ban on Fred Parhad, he still has the ability to post here. These multiple forums have moderators who maintain them according to the simple guidelines. Will Fred Parhad enter civil discourse with the general public? ...it remains to be seen since he has complete control of what he types. Fred's satire has some benefits, but more importantly, he lacks the ability to effectively communicate without ridiculing the entire population, especially our artists. As I wrote to him earlier, practical solutions and ways to achieve them should be paramount, not constant ridicule and rhetoric.

I would like to hear that the Assyrian Fine Arts Union has been established and Fred Parhad is helping support young Assyrian artists to reach the monumental achievement he accomplished in San Francisco (see photo).

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