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Thoughts on the ancient Chaldeans (not related to present Chaldeans)

Aug-26-2001 at 00:06 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Last edited by Fred Aprim on Aug-28-2001 at 01:00 PM (CT)

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What the ancient Chaldeans represented is still unknown. The ancient Chaldean tribes are sometimes considered to be part of the Arameans but many scholars disagree with that theory.
Brinkman, for example, stated, quote: The Chaldeans, however, apparently preceded the Arameans as inhabitants of southern Babylonia by a century or more. But from the late 8th century BC and on, the two groups occupied adjacent territory, especially in southeastern Babylonia. Though they worked together as allies, particularly in the days of Sargon and Sennacherib, the Chaldeans and Arameans were always regarded as distinct entities by the Assyrians and the Babylonians; and any tribe or individual was considered as belonging to one group or the othernot both. Unquote. (J. A. Brinkman, A Political History of Post-Kassite Babylonia, p. 267)

Additionally, the below quote without any doubt attests to the fact that the ancient Chaldeans were not the indigenous people of Mesopotamia. The quote shows clearly that the ancient Chaldeans were not part of the Babylonian society at least during the Kassite rule in Babylon, i.e. during circa 1590 1160 BC. BTW, the Kassites are believed to have migrated from the Zagros Mountains to the northeast of Babylonia and ruled Babylon for over 400 years.

Quote: It may be a matter of dispute whether the Babylonians society has to be considered a multicultural society. It certainly was a multiethnic society. In the Kassite period the population of Babylonia consisted, of course, mainly of Babylonians, but quite numerous were also Kassites and Hurrians (from Arrapha as well as from Hanigalbat). Other attested ethnic minorities were Western Semites (ahlamu and amurru), Assyrians, Elamites, Hittites, Lullubeans and people from Ullipi. Unquote. (Orientalia Lovaniensia Analecta: Languages and Cultures in Contact, edited by K. Van Lerberghe and G. Voet, P. 409. A paper title The Adaptation of the Kassites to the Babylonian Civilization by L. Sassmannshausen.)

Therefore, we need to distinguish clearly between the ancient Chaldeans and the Babylonians. The ancient Chaldeans were merely nomadic tribes with little civilization to their name compared to the Babylonians'. They took advantage of the civil war and the disintegration of the Babylonian political life in 626 B.C. and occupied Babylon. They have two great kings; Nabupolassar and Nabuchadnezzar II who ruled 64 years combined and built a mighty power. We cannot find though one single monument, stele, or statue, which they erected. Still, while ruling Babylon, they did have some beautiful construction like the Ishtar Gate, the Palace of Nabuchadnezzar II and repaired the city walls, but these were in reality built by the Babylonian artists and builders who were advanced in arts. The Chaldean dynasty began a very rapid decline after these two kings.
The Persians in 539 B.C. ended the ancient Chaldean kings rule that lasted a total (87) years, with the last king Nabunaid not even confirmed, absolutely, to be of a Chaldean origin as historical data had recorded that his mother was an Assyrian. Ultimately, the ancient Chaldeans intermingled with the Babylonians and were assimilated into the Babylonian society and hence disappeared, as history books tell us, as a known separate culture or peoples.

Brinkman stated, quote: There is no sure trace of the Chaldeans before they are found settled in southern Babylonia in the early 9th century . There is no extensive corpus of Chaldean personal names available. For the period between 878 and 722 BC, we have the names of only (18) eighteen individuals who are known to have been Chaldean; and (14) fourteen of these names are Akkadian, showing that the Chaldean tribesor at least their leadershad rapidly become assimilated to Babylonian ways. Unquote. (J. A. Brinkman, A Political History of Post-Kassite Babylonia, p. 265)

With the coming of Islam, almost all of the inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia quickly converted to Islam and became Arabs, including those who remained from the ancient Chaldeans.
Crone and Cook wrote, quote: "We know that Chaldeans very quickly converted to Islam in the 7th and 8th centuries A.D., and assimilated into the Arab/Muslim culture and disappeared from history." (P. Crone and M. Cook, Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World)

A small segment of the inhabitants of Babylonia resisted though a complete assimilation to Islam and Arabization and are today called the Subiyeen or the Mandeans who speak the Aramaic and continued to live predominantly in the southern region of Iraq and some of them had migrated to Baghdad later.

We have to understand that simply because the ancient Chaldeans ruled over Babylon for (87) years does not make the inhabitants of Babylon ethnically Chaldeans. The Ottoman Turks began their rule over Mesopotamia in 1534 and until 1918 (over 400 years), yet the inhabitants of Mesopotamia did not become Turks! We have to understand that the ancient Chaldeans were completely different people than the Babylonians. Not a single scholar had even hinted that the two are of the same ethnicity background. The ancient Chaldeans were outsiders to Mesopotamia. What owners of cheap websites post on their own private forums and editorials are not considered scholarly work, rather cheap propaganda. History will not be written by a silly web master or a wild clergyman, serious scholars and legitimate historians do.

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