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Excavations at Nineveh

May-02-2001 at 04:57 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

I wonder if anyone can help me. I recently bought a hand drawn map on canvas dated 1850 which shows most of the sites mentioned in Layard's book.

There is a stamp on the bottom right which reads :

Published by the Society for the Education of the Working Man with an address in London.

A photo of the map is available at :

I would appreciate any information about this map.

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1. RE: Excavations at Nineveh

May-02-2001 at 10:31 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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MatthewC

first of all, are you an Assyrian??
if not, then don't wonder!! We Assyrians who should wonder!! Would you please tell me what are you going to do with this map of 1850? Are you going to use it for digging?? All archeological sites are under iraqi government control.No other help you can benefit for having that map.
may you state exactly what are you looking for??

Albert Alnasser

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2. RE: Excavations at Nineveh

May-02-2001 at 10:55 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Albert

Hold on there.

No I am not Assyrian.

I bought the map in a London street market. If you care to look at the url I posted
( )you will see the map covers a very large area and would be absolutely no use for any practical purpose. It is purely decorative and I was looking
for a clue as to who / how it was produced.

That's it.

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3. RE: Map Image

May-02-2001 at 11:50 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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I would like to see this map, please "Edit" your message and correct the image URL address since it is not currently viewable on the forum. (See example below)

Thanks for sharing this information.

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4. RE: Map Image

May-02-2001 at 11:58 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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The url for the map is

( prefixed by www. )

travel.picture-library.com/mosuletc.jpg

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5. RE: Map Image

May-02-2001 at 12:39 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Last edited by Sargon on May-02-2001 at 02:50 PM (CT)

OK Matthew, here's the map.

We have a few friends who may have more details regarding this map.
I'm looking forward to hearing from them soon.


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6. RE: Excavations at Nineveh

May-02-2001 at 08:25 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Matthew C,
First, I would like to thank you for showing interest in Assyrian related issues.
Secondly, I, personally, cannot confirm the authenticity of the map. But I can tell you that the map you posted looks very similar to a map titled "Central Assyria", which appeared on page (63) of the book "Nineveh and its Remains" by Austen Henry Layard, edited by H. W. F. Saggs, first published in 1849, with the exception that your map covered perhaps 60% of the map in the above mentioned book.
Hope that helps.
Fred

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May-03-2001 at 04:13 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Fred

Many thanks for your message.

I had a suspicion that it was related to Layard. I think that given the great interest in Britain in Layard's excavations at the time, the map I have is probably copied from the map you refer to and was published possibly as a teaching aide.

Do you know whether the book you mention is available online ?

I bought the map early one Saturday morning in the scruffy end of Portobello Rd market in London. I knew nothing about Nineveh at the time but was rather excited by what appeared to be a treasure map straight out of an adventure story.

I didn't realise at the time what an amazing story it referred to.

Thanks again

Matthew

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8. RE: Excavations at Nineveh

May-03-2001 at 01:04 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Matthew C,
Two points to make here.
1. I am not sure whether the book is available on-line or not.
2. I have a copy of the book and in my last visit to Berkeley's many used book stores a month ago I saw another copy of it.

For those interested in purchasing that copy of "Nineveh and its Remains" by Layard, edited by Saggs, it was available at:
Black Oak Books
1491 Shattuck Ave.
Berkeley, CA. 94709
Tel. (510) 486-0698 and (510) 486-0699

PS. I am not absolutely sure, but the price of the book was set around $50.

A quote from 'Nineveh and its Remains': "A few Chaldaeans and Jacobite Christians, scattered in Mosul and the neighboring villages, or dwelling in the most inaccessible part of the mountains, are probably the only descendents of that great people (author referring to Assyrians) which once swayed, from these plains, the half of Asia". (page 85)
Fred

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Jun-03-2001 at 07:54 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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dear Matthew,
What a treasure you have stumbled upon. May God bless you for sharing it with us.

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