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Please don't stone me for this....

Aug-16-2000 at 06:15 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

I heard somewhere that in ancient text( not sure what language ) that the word for resurection means what we term reincarnation...Are we to take Christ's teaching that You must be born again literally? Thanks for your time.
-May God Bless You-
-Byron Wheeler

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1. Let he who hath no sin........

Aug-17-2000 at 01:07 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi Byron,

There shall be no stoning here

I have heard of similiar claims as well.

I can assure you that the concept known as "reincarnation" has no equivalent, and in fact is totally alien to, Semitic thought.

As an interesting sidenote, there was no concept of an "afterlife" at all in the Semitic and Jewish world prior to the resurrection of our Lord.

In this new revelation, our Lord taught us that there is indeed a new life awaiting those who love Him. Those who hate him have an afterlife awaiting them, too.

An immediate quote of scripture that comes to mind is from the Apostle:

"It is appointed for man to live once, and then the judgement."

Those who claim this reincantion heresy, I've noticed, are mostly from the "New Age" crowd, who love to create mixtures of religious concepts from Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.. with Christianity. They then throw around some Aramaic words and claim that they mean this or that.....the unfortunate thing is, most people don't know Aramaic, and are easily deceived.

I hope this helped!

Shlama w'Burkate,
Paul


>I heard somewhere that in ancient
>text ( not sure what language
> that the word for
>resurection means what we term
>reincarnation...Are we to take Christ's
>teaching that You must be
>born again literally? Thanks for
>your time.
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>-May God Bless You-
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> -Byron
>Wheeler


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2. RE: Let he who hath no sin........

Aug-18-2000 at 05:47 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi Paul,
Thanks for clearing that up! It's nice to be able to disguss something with someone who knows what they are talking about .

Shlama w'Burkate,

-Byron

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3. RE: Let he who hath no sin........

Aug-24-2000 at 06:39 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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First a quibble. Clearly, the author of the Book of Sirach believed in an afterlife--I think this is dated to the 2nd century BC, so it is a while (but not a very long while) before our Lord's resurrection. Some, but not all, of the Psalms may also reflect a theology that included an afterlife. One of the Books of Maccabees (2nd century BC I think) praises someone for having sacrifices offered in Jerusalem on behalf of the dead with an eye to their "resurrection". What may not have been present before New Testament times was an idea of a resurrection of the wicked (who, of course, will go down to eternal punishment--may God's grace deliver us from this!)

But definitely there is no concept of reincarnation anywhere in the Old or New Testaments. The idea is completely foreign to their thought and is not even hinted at. The word for "being resurrected" is just "rising from the dead". The word "to rise" (at least in Aramaic--I don't know what the Greek uses) is just the ordinary word "qum" used for "get up": it is the masculine form of the word "qumi" in "Talitha qumi", "Little girl, get up." It has nothing to do with reincarnation, though of course someone who believes in reincarnation might figuratively use it.

Alex

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Assyria \ã-'sir-é-ä\ n (1998)   1:  an ancient empire of Ashur   2:  a democratic state in Bet-Nahren, Assyria (northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, southeastern Turkey and eastern Syria.)   3:  a democratic state that fosters the social and political rights to all of its inhabitants irrespective of their religion, race, or gender   4:  a democratic state that believes in the freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture in faithfulness to the principles of the United Nations Charter — Atour synonym

Ethnicity, Religion, Language
» Israeli, Jewish, Hebrew
» Assyrian, Christian, Aramaic
» Saudi Arabian, Muslim, Arabic
Assyrian \ã-'sir-é-an\ adj or n (1998)   1:  descendants of the ancient empire of Ashur   2:  the Assyrians, although representing but one single nation as the direct heirs of the ancient Assyrian Empire, are now doctrinally divided, inter sese, into five principle ecclesiastically designated religious sects with their corresponding hierarchies and distinct church governments, namely, Church of the East, Chaldean, Maronite, Syriac Orthodox and Syriac Catholic.  These formal divisions had their origin in the 5th century of the Christian Era.  No one can coherently understand the Assyrians as a whole until he can distinguish that which is religion or church from that which is nation -- a matter which is particularly difficult for the people from the western world to understand; for in the East, by force of circumstances beyond their control, religion has been made, from time immemorial, virtually into a criterion of nationality.   3:  the Assyrians have been referred to as Aramaean, Aramaye, Ashuraya, Ashureen, Ashuri, Ashuroyo, Assyrio-Chaldean, Aturaya, Chaldean, Chaldo, ChaldoAssyrian, ChaldoAssyrio, Jacobite, Kaldany, Kaldu, Kasdu, Malabar, Maronite, Maronaya, Nestorian, Nestornaye, Oromoye, Suraya, Syriac, Syrian, Syriani, Suryoye, Suryoyo and Telkeffee. — Assyrianism verb

Aramaic \ar-é-'máik\ n (1998)   1:  a Semitic language which became the lingua franca of the Middle East during the ancient Assyrian empire.   2:  has been referred to as Neo-Aramaic, Neo-Syriac, Classical Syriac, Syriac, Suryoyo, Swadaya and Turoyo.

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