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Romans 10:7

May-02-2001 at 01:21 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Sh'lama Akhi Paul:
Stephen Silver wrote:
First, according to the Reuben-Alcalay Hebrew-English Dictionary,
"t'hom", means: "depth, deep waters, great floods, great floods, Ocean;
abyss, chasm, gulf, bottom of the sea, interior of the earth".

I think B'rayshit 1:2, is where Shaul is "aiming", and he's making a "remez", of D'varim 30:13. The "remez" is "hamayim/the sea". He's substituting "sea", with 0mwhtl

"and the earth was unformed and void,
" v'haaretz hay'tah tohu vavohu

and darkness upon the face of (the deep)
v'khoshekh al-p'nai (t'hom)

and Ruakh Elohim hovered
v'Ruakh Elohim m'rakhefet

over the face of the waters."
al-p'nai hamayim"

So, Shaul, in Romans 10:7 was brilliant, to use the Aramaic word, 0mwhtl which shares it's root, with the Hebrew, "t'hom". Moreover, this word is also
found, in this form, in Luqa 8:31, and is closely associated with sea. So, we will have to dig deeper, and look with hope and faith, for the same things that Shaul was "alluding to". These things are in the Aramaic Peshitta, and they are "profound".

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May-02-2001 at 01:02 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Stephen,

Thanks for the wonderful insight in this post.

Another word in Romans 10:7 to consider, especially in regards to the relationship it has with the Hebrew txT (Strong's# 8478, "below") found in B'reshith 1 (Click here for Hebrew font) is the Aramaic txn (#12937, "descend") which, as the Imperfect form, is txt (#12948, "might descend") from which the Aramaic tyxt (#22770, "below") is derived.

I think that even further reinforces where Rab Shaul is "aiming!"

That he is making a "remez" with Dvarim 30:31 is undeniable.

That he used 0mwht puposefully to reflect the ,vhT of B'reshith is equally undeniable, especially since it has the dual meaning of "sea."

The only thing left to deny is that he wrote this in Aramaic, or that he wasn't thinking in Hebrew/Aramaic.

After all, the Greek abusso is such a good substitute!


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