John 12:12

Shlama Akhay,

Another example of the definite/indefinite article being translated differently.

The word here is "crowd" 04nk

The manuscripts which translate it "A crowd" are: S, A, D, K, W, X, Delta, Pi, Psi, f1, 28, 565, 700, 892, 1010, 1241

The manuscripts which translate it "THE crowd" are: p66, B, L, Theta, f13

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Shlama Paul,,
>
Another example of the definite/indefinite article
being translated differently.
>
>The word here is "crowd" >face="Estrangelo (V1.1)" size="5"]04nk

>The manuscripts which translate it "THE
>crowd" are: p66, B, L,
>Theta, f13

There's that bad boy p66 again. I think the confusion for the corruption this time is between the crowd of v 9 and the one in v 12. These pilgrims are no doubt the Y'hudis of v. 9 and the p66 wants to make sure of it.

Also akh Paul in regard to the plural/singular issue here. All Gr. texts show singular 'crowd' whereas 'kansha' can only be 'kanshe' right,
Since the adjective 'sgiye' is plural?

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Shlama Akhi Iakov,

Fill me in about p66 - what's the story behind that manuscript?

And yes, you are correct - the sagiye is plural and so should "crowd" should be also!

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Shlama Akhi Paul,

>Fill me in about p66 -
>what's the story behind that
>manuscript?

p66-or Papyrus 66 is what textual scholars call a 'free text' as opposed to a 'strict text' or a 'normal text'.

Mss in this category exhibit the greatest degree of variance from other groups of texts. Many of its variances are said to be early glosses as this papyrus dates from 150 CE.

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Akhi Iacov:
Here is some information on the p66,p72,p75Bodmer Papyri (A.D. 2nd.-3rd. century):
The Most important discovery of the New Testament papyri since the Chester Beatty manuscripts was the acquition of the Bomer collection by the libarary of World Literature at Culagny, near Geneva.p66,dating from about 200A.D. or earlier, contains 104 leaves of John 1:1-6:11;6:35b-14:26 and fragments of about 40 other pages,John 14-21. the text is a mixture of the Alexanderi8an and Western types, and there are some twenty alterations between the lines that invariably belong to the Western family.^11 Metzerger,the Text of the New Testament.page 40. From A General Introduction to the Bible by Norman L. Geisler and William E. Nix (Moody Press) ISBN#0-8024-2916-5 PAGE 390. This was one of my text books for Biblical Criticism, that's how I have a copy. I hope this answers your questions. Shlama W'Berkhata,Sam

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Todah Akhi Shmuel,

But I didn't have a question about p66.

However Akhi Paul I have an address for you to see an example of the early papyri and a comment.

https://www.earlham.edu/~seidti/iam/interp_mss.html

This is an image of p66 John 1. Now this is a what if example of an error that has occurred in
uncial mss as p66 in in Gr uncial where there is no space between words.

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E=epsilon
N=nu
A=alpha
R=rho
X=khi
H=eta
O=omicron
L=lamda
S=sigma
`=rough breath mark

The mss reads "EN ARXH HN `O LOGOS.."
IF a copyists dropped the eta from the verb 'to be' HN and the 'nu' became the ending of ARXH making a verb ENARXHN we could be looking at the phrase 'the Word began..' (although enarxhn would actually conjugate to enarksen)

The point is when copying to uncials and from uncials errors could occur.

Shlama,
Iakov