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Nazarene History

Aug-21-2001 at 06:21 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)


All,

I am writing a History of the ancient Nazarene
sect of Judaism. I am aware that there are some documentable connections with the Church of the East. I am aware that many of the Nazarenes fled Judea for the Parthean Empire and eventually were assimilated into the Church of the East. I am also aware that Yosef and Miriam's linage continued in the Church of the East and that certain Assyrian tribes in the Church of the East are by tradition regareded as Jewish/Israelite.

Please let me know any actual facts that may be helpful in supporting and elaborating these facts.

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1. RE: Nazarene History

Aug-21-2001 at 11:39 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Sh'lama Akhi Yaacov:
Stephen Silver wrote:
What a loverly idea!! BTY, Congratulations on the success of the HRV-Hebraic Roots Version, which is into it's second printing. Bravo!!

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2. RE: Nazarene History

Aug-22-2001 at 12:31 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi James,

I am aware that there are some documentable connections with the Church of the East. I
am aware that many of the Nazarenes fled Judea for the Parthean Empire and eventually were assimilated into the Church of the East.

There were ethnic Jews in the CoE even before this event. The Church of Khuqy, in Babylon, is the traditional birthplace of the CoE and where every Patriarch was consecrated. That was his "St. Peter's Basilica", if you will.


I am also aware that Yosef and Miriam's linage continued in the Church of the East..

Yes, Mar Abris - who reigned from 90-107 AD, was a relative of the Virgin Mary.

Mar Yacob I - who reigned from 172-190, was a relative of Yosep the Carpenter.

Here is a complete list of the Patriarchate, including the above-mentioned:

Year Patriarch

Mar Shimon Keepa, who after establishing the Church in Babylon (Keepa 5:12), returned to the Roman Empire where he was crowned.

33 Toma (Thomas)
33 Bar Tulmay (Bartholemew)
33 - 45 Addai
45 - 81 Agai, disciple of Addai (from the Seventy Disciples)
48 - 81 Mari, disciple of Addai (from the Seventy Disciples)
90 - 107 Abris, relative of the Virgin Mary
130 - 152 Oraham I
172 - 190 Yacob I, relative of Yosip the Carpenter
191 - 203 Ebid M'shikha
205 - 220 Akhu d'Awu
224 - 244 Shakhlupa of Kashkar
247 - 326 Papa Bar Gaggai
328 - 341 Shimun Bar Sabbai
345 - 347 Shahdost
350 - 358 Bar Bashmin
383 - 393 Tumarsa
393 - 399 Qaiyuma
399 - 411 Eskhaq
411 - 415 Akhkhi
415 - 420 Yoalaha I
420 Maana
421 Qarabukht
421 - 456 Dadishu
457 - 484 Bawai or Babu
484 - 496 Aqaq
496 - 502 Bawai
505 - 523 Sheela
524 - 535 Narsai
524 - 538 Elisha (dual Patriarchate)
539 - 540 Polos
552 - 567 Yosip
570 - 581 Khazqiyil
581 - 595 Eshuyow I, Arzunaya
596 - 604 Soreshu I Garmaqaya
605 - 608 Greghor, Partaya
628 - 644 Eshuyow II (Gdalaya or Arab)
647 - 650 Mar Immeh
650 - 660 Eshuyow III, Kdayawaya
681 - 684 Gewargis I
684 - 692 Yokhannan I, Bar Marta
686 - 693 Khnaishu I (dual Patriarchate)
693 - 694 Yokhannan II, Garba
714 - 728 Sliwazkha
731 - 740 Pethyon
741 - 751 Awa
752 - 754 Surin
754 - 773 Yacob II
774 - 778 Khnanishu II (the Assyrian monument in China was erected during his reign)
780 - 820 Timotheus I
820 - 824 Esho-barnon
825 - 832 Gewargis II
832 - 836 Soreshu II
837 - 850 Oraham II, Margaya
850 - 852 Teadasis (Theodoros)
860 - 872 Sargis, Suwaya
873 - 884 Annush d'beth Garmay
884 - 892 Yokhannan III, Bar Narsai
892 - 898 Yokhannan IV
900 - 905 Yokhannan V
906 - 937 Oraham III, Abraza
937 - 949 Ammanoel I
961 - 962 Esrail Karkhaya
963 - 986 Odishu Garmaqaya
967 - 1000 Mari Aturaya
1001 - 1012 Yokhannan VI
1013 - 1022 Yokhannan VII
1023 - 1027 Eshuyow IV
1028 - 1049 Elia I
1049 - 1057 Yokhannan VIII
1057 - 1072 Soreshu III (Bar Zanbur)
1072 - 1090 Odishu II (Bar Ars) Aturaya
1092 - 1109 Makkikha I (Bar Shlemon)
1111 - 1132 Elia II
1133 - 1135 Bar Soma (Of Suwa)
1135 - 1136 Bar Gabbara
1138 - 1147 Odishu III (nephew of Elia II)
1148 - 1175 Eshuyow V (from Beth Zodai, Baladaya)
1176 - 1190 Elia III (Abukhalim)
1191 - 1222 Yoalaha II (Bar Qaiyuma)
1222 - 1226 Soreshu IV
1226 - 1256 Soreshu V (from Baghdad)
1257 - 1265 Makkikha II
1265 - 1281 Dinkha I, Arbilaya (from Arbil)
1281 - 1318 Yoalaha III, Bar Turkaye (Turkish by race)
1318 - 1328 Timotheus II, Arbilaya
1329 - 1359 Dinkha II
1359 - 1368 Dinkha III
1369 - 1392 Shimun III
1403 - 1407 Shimun IV
1407 - 1420 Elia III
1420 - 1447 Shimun V
1448 - 1490 Shimun VI
1491 - 1504 Elia V
1505 - 1538 Shimun VII
1538 - 1551 Eshuyow Shimun VIII
1552 - 1558 Dinkha Shimun IX (Bar Mama)
1558 - 1580 Yoalaha Shimun X
1580 - 1600 Dinkha Shimun XI
1600 - 1653 Elia Shimun XI
1653 - 1690 Eshuyow Shimun XIII
1690 - 1692 Yoalaha Shimun XIV
1692 - 1700 Dinkha Shimun XV
1700 - 1740 Shlemon (Solomon) Shimun XVI
1740 - 1741 Michael Shimun XVII
1740 - 1820 Yonan (Yuna) Shimun XVIII
1820 - 1860 Oraham Shimun XIX
1860 - 1903 Ruwil Shimun XX
1903 - 1918 Binyamin Shimun XXI
1918 - 1920 Polos Shimun XXII
1920 - 1975 Eshai Shimun XXIII
1975 - Mar Dinkha IV


..and that certain Assyrian tribes in the Church of the East are by tradition regareded as Jewish/Israelite.

Please see my other response for this question.

Please let me know any actual facts that may be helpful in supporting and elaborating these
facts.

Let me know if you need anything else - like I said, I can copy that book for you. I'm thinking about scanning it in and including it on this website - even if I don't agree with Dr. Grant's conclusions, but it is still a fascinating description of the existence and isolation of one of the world's oldest Churches in the mountains of ancient Assyria.


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3. RE: Nazarene History

Aug-22-2001 at 10:56 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Jacob,

If you are researching the history of Jewish Christianity in the East, you will find the Knanaya Christians of Kerela, India interesting. They are a group of Jewish Christians who migrated from the Middle East in the fourth or fifth century to the Malabar coast of India. They claim not to have mixed with the local population, and to be purely Jewish in ethnicity. Their customs differ somewhat from the other historic Christian groups of Kerela, and they are said to have much in common with the former Jewish colony of Kerela. Similar to the relationship between the Ethiopian Christians and Ethiopian Falashia Jews. Today they are divided between the Roman Catholic and Syriac Orthodox Churches. Each church allows them to exist as a separate rite with their own bishops. The following two links will get you started:

https://www.ghg.net/knanaya/
https://knanayaworld.com/

While they have certainly undergone many changes throughout their history, they are one of the few Jewish Christian groups which can legitimately claim an unbroken decent from antiquity.

Shlama,
John

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4. RE: Nazarene History

Aug-23-2001 at 09:45 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear James,

I was just wishing earlier today that someone would write a history of the Nazarenes, then I "stumble" across your message here! Good news! I will await your book with anticipation!

By the way, have you read Stephen Collins' book, "The Lost 10 Tribes... Found!"? It presents an historical account of that time period that is quite different than the one we generally read about, and might provide some additional insight into the culture/environment of the first century.

May YHWH bless the work of your hands,
Rebecca

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