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Iscariot

Oct-14-2001 at 10:35 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Hello dear All,

It is true, that in the name, "Judas Iscariot" we can find the aramaic word, "sqarja"=betrayer ?

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1. RE: Iscariot

Oct-16-2001 at 01:17 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Gabor,

The only Aramaic term I'm aware of that means "traitor" or "betrayer" is 0nml4m

Do you have any reference for 'sqarja'? I'm not familiar with that word.

Fk^rwbw 0ml4

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3. RE: Iscariot

Oct-16-2001 at 03:30 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Paul,

I found this in my Bible CD-ROM which contains the three most important hungarian, the greek, hebrew, english (KJV), german translations and the Vulgata. The Complete Notes for hungarian St. Stephen Bible contains this interpretation:

"He was named from the beginning as "iscariot" (aramaic sqarja) by the palestinan christians and this word will be transferred into the greek."

I will ask them where is their source. I searched the Lexicon, saw the hebrew where betrayer stands but no occurence found.

But, this is interesting for me because if I'm right, the "Iscariot" is not a clarified word in the Bible.

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2. RE: Iscariot

Oct-16-2001 at 03:30 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama,

I found an interesting footnote in Hugh Schonfield's New Testament. I don't know how much it will help, if any, but it seemed thought-provoking and Mr. Schonfield seems to have been quite a researcher.The footnote for Mark 3:19 reads: "Betrayed him." Heb. hisgir-otho (or hiskir otho), a very early word-play on the name Iscarioth, which actually represents Sicariotes, member of the anti-Roman Jewish terrorists who carried curved daggers (sicars) under their robes. Oh well, somethin' to ponder until you get a more clear and comprehensive answer.

Shlama w'Burkate,

Larry Kelsey

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4. RE: Iscariot

Oct-16-2001 at 11:24 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Larry,

it is very interesting. Especially for what I found about it in the dictionary:

1. Aramaic word, means "man from Kerioth" Kerioth was the city of Moab (Amos 2.2) Altough the dictionary said this is the most probably version, it demonstrate an alternate meaning,
2. name derived from Latin and meaning "assasin" or "bandit", Judas and his father, Simon may from be from a patriotic party, the Zealots.

here is from the Vulgate:
"dicebat autem Iudam Simonis Scariotis hic enim erat traditurus eum cum esset unus ex duodecim"

because it was the surname of Judas (probably not an later generated name) it is inplausible that his name was originally "betrayer". It could be a little bit suspicious.

so in my opinion this supports your explanation.

cheers,
Gabor

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6. RE: Iscariot

Oct-19-2001 at 03:38 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Larry,

But they suffered from a fourth adversity. Not far from Jerusalem, it was a massive castle, named Masada, which was built by old kings to hide their trasure and to guard them. This castle owned by the Sicariotes, who plundered the near areas, mainly for food, because they didn't dare undertake to bigger pillage-champaigns.
Flavius: Bellum Judaicum, 4.8 (sorry for bad translation)

John 12.6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

it can be coincidence but interesting...

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5. RE: Iscariot

Oct-18-2001 at 10:23 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Some have proposed "the man from Kkriot" but that
would require a SHIN rather than a SAMEK.

The Hebrew starts with ALEF-YUD which can mean "Island" or "shore" thus in the HRV I have
Y'hudah from the shore os Sk'riot.

Footnote 137 in the HRV goes into much more detail on this by analyzing the spelling of the name in the Hebrew and the Old Syriac and Peshitta Aramaic.

More info on the HRV at https://www.nazarene.net/hrv

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7. RE: Iscariot

Oct-19-2001 at 03:38 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear James,

I will try order your book via money order (but I never tried it yet), this PayPal is a little bit weird for me. Do you plan sell it via Amazon.com ? Akhi Andrew's book is now arrived to my mother's address I can't wait to see it...

cheers,
Gabor

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