Biga
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Oct-16-2001 at 11:24 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." I saw, Paul translated also as "hate" the word, 0ns. Lamsa and Erric translated here "put to one side": He whom comes to me and does not put to one side his father and his mother... I searched through the Concordance but I found with the root only "hate, shameful, hateful, detestable, enemy, hated" and nothing with meanings "to stand up straight", "to put out a candle or light", "a threshing floor", "to set to one's side". From where did Lamsa get these meanings?
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Paul Younan
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Oct-23-2001 at 10:39 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Shlama Akhi Gabor, I think Lamsa pulled this one out of thin air. The root 'Sna' is used all over the place in the Old Testament as well to mean 'hate.' It's a hard saying, but it's what the text says. Perhaps it was meant to warn about future persecution when family members turned in other family members to the authorities....or tried to forcefully have them deny their faith. We are to honor our Fathers and our Mothers according to the commandments given to Moses, but not at the expense of denying our Creator. "There is a time to love...."  Fk^rwbw 0ml4
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Biga
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Oct-24-2001 at 12:25 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Dear Akhi Paul, thank you the answer. I must say, it is very interesting. All stuff what I read tried explan it is no "hate" but "love less". It is very interesting that the aramaic text do not abate from this meaning. This verse always puzzled me. PS. I ordered the Compendous Syriac Dictionary for less questions  Not too easy learn aramaic but what is very interesting, this language is similar to hungarian in grammatical viewpoint! We have also similar suffix system and sentence structure. Now our researchers begin to tend against finnish origin and find some signs of turk, sumerian roots. Too much similar words exists but now the academic opininon is these are coincidences. (hmmm. like aramaic origin  Only the "drawing" of letters is heavy for me but seems like a painting (altough our nation have an ancient special writing right to left (!) what called runic writing used today in Transylvania and some places in Hungary. 
https://fang.fa.gau.hu/~heves/runic.html cheers, Gabor
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Paul Younan
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Oct-24-2001 at 12:31 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Shlama Akhi Gabor, Forgive my ignorance here, but weren't the Huns and Gars Turkic tribesmen from Central Asia? How is the Hungarian language related to modern or ancient Turkish? Fk^rwbw 0ml4
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Biga
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Oct-24-2001 at 02:56 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Dear Akhi Paul, first, yet to the original topic I found an interesting quote from Tanach what proves you: Deu. 13.6-9 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. To your question: The origin from the tribes of Hunor and Magyar is not historically proved yet, but it is one of our most beautiful sagas. In this sagas we had from first times the story of "Golden Father", "Ludverc, Kalamona the Dragon" (Lucifer) and the "Golden Rama" (Eden) before christianity. We had nice prayers to Golden Father before christinity. The name "hungarian" is coming from this misunderstanded equation with this legendal charachter. (where is the roots of these legends... who knows) We are disharmonic because the genetical markers proves indoeuropean blood but the language is an enigma. We have versions about "finn-ugorish" (the academic, standard) and "ujgur-white chinese", turk, scithian, sumerian, and asian origin. The gen marker research is not too conclusive because where the first hungarians in the Carpathian area in AD 896 were only 4-5% of the total present population (avars). Currently the most probably origin is hibrid: some turk, some finnugor and some fragments of another joining tribes. Now we begin see some discrepancies with "finn-ugor" theory but it is a long story. And, at least please see the consonants in our two words: iSTeN = GOD SaTaN what a weird word-play!
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