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Sheol to Hades?

Nov-17-2001 at 12:09 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Hello dear All,

recently writing about the words Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Hell. I saw that where the greek uses Hades, the Aramaic stayed at Sheol (for exaple, Luq. 10.15). For me, it seems more imaginable that the greek translators used the word Hades which was more familiar to greek ears. The Aramaic saves the originally used word - Sheol. Altough the Sheol has the same character like the Hades, in the Sheol no other god as Hades/Pluto reigns, only the God himself.

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1. RE: Sheol to Hades?

Nov-18-2001 at 08:43 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi Akhi Gabor!

The translation of SHEOL to HADES has been well established since the advent of the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible from about 250 BCE. SHEOL is not really "hell" as we think of it. There is no fire in SHEOL and in SHEOL the dead sleep, awaiting judgement. SHEOL is also better rendered as "grave" or "depths/pit". Y'shua is saying that Kapharnum will be taken to the GRAVE or DEPTHS, but when he says elsewhere "Fear Him who can throw both body and sould into HELL", that is GEHENNA. And actually I thik both languages have preserved much of this understanding. The equivalent of GEHENNNA in Greek I believe is TARTAROO.

It is unfortunate that all these are rendered as HELL in English just like how ROKHA, NAPHSHAH and NESHAMA all come out as "spirit" or "soul".

What aspects of these words then did you wish to explore?

Shlama w'burkate
Andrew Gabriel Roth

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Nov-19-2001 at 09:09 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hello Akhi Andrew,

Now finished fourty pages about different meanings of Sheol, Hell, Gehenna in my book. I found very interesting explanations and examples in the Holman Bible Dictionary also. The translations are really misleading, I think in all languages not only in english.

Eshoo talked about Gehenna, Ge-Hinnom, the valley of Hinnom. This place was always bad. In the Scripture, named yet Tophet, we can read that here were sacrifices to Moloch. In time of Eshoo here was garbage-burning, and also the bodies of dead animals, unburied criminals. Here was always dust and stink - the place was named "place of burning".
What Eshoo said, it was realised, Flavius said that in A.D. 70, after the siege was no place to bury the deads, the most bodies were cast to valley of Hinnom and another valleys. Probably the most pharisees to whom Eshoo talked, was in these valleys in A.D. 70 dead .
Another example from the Scripture, in this valley was the bonfire of the destroyed assirian army.

A very interesting link about this topic, I recommend to read (with many scriptural references):

https://preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/dawson-samuel_pp_02.html

Tartatos, as you said:


"The word appears in classical Greek to refer to a subterran region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead. It was thought of as place of punishment. In the sole use of the word in the NT it refers to the place of punishment for rebellious angels."
/Holman/

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Gabor

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