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Genesis: 6 days or eons

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Genesis: 6 days or eons

Jan-14-2002 at 03:04 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)


After reading Victor Alexander's Genesis translation from cuineform manuscripts I staggered that he translated "eons" instead of days. It can be correct?

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1. RE: Genesis: 6 days or eons

Jan-14-2002 at 08:59 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Biga,

One of the chief proponents of 'eons' being the actual meaning is found on this site-
https:www.reasons.org/ Hugh Ross is a Christian Astrophysicist (or as some would simplify-astronomer). If you can find the website for some of Carl Baugh's work, you'll see the work of another extremely intelligent scientist. His views are totally opposite and he would be classed among the "Young Universe" theorists.
At any rate, my heart goes out to them because they are totally commited to proving that Science and the Bible are 'allies' and NOT 'enemies' and they are doing an utterly superb job of it in my estimation. Please ask Akhi Andrew about the varied interpretations of 'yom' though. He's far better 'versed and rehearsed' than I.

Shlama w'Burkate,

Lawrence Raymond Kelsey


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2. RE: Genesis: 6 days or eons

Jan-16-2002 at 10:39 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Gabor,

'Yom' can mean more than just 24 hours. The 'day and then it became night' of Genesis 1 somewhat kills that idea, though.

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3. RE: Genesis: 6 days or eons

Jan-16-2002 at 07:56 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Last edited by Andrew Gabriel Roth on Jan-16-2002 at 08:05 PM (CT)

Shlama all--

This one is a little tricky. There are Hebrew and Aramaic words that certainly imply periods closer to an "eon" than YOM does. There is DOR/DORAA (generation/cycle of time) which is used to describe how long the Israelites will sojourn in Egypt. There is also ALMA (behold I am with you, even to the end of the AGE).

However, that does not mean YOM must be a 24 hour period. YOM applies both just to daylight as well as "evening and morning". However, the question is, since day 1 starts with the darkness, do we count the eternal ages that it was dark BEFORE there was light? How long is that first day (millions? billions?) even if the other five days are 24 hours???

The sages often point to the idea of God's time (1000 years are like a day in your sight) and note that the Sun--if we take the literal meaning of the text- was not made until day 4, hence no way to REALLY mark the length of days 1-3.

(As an aside, I have an elaborate theory about how to look at this, but won't get into it here. The gist is that you could read day 4 as the time of the PURPOSE of the Sun being given, and look at OUR SUN as being made on DAY ONE with Let there be light, but this is not without its problems.)

The sages also point out that Creation is 6 days before Rosh Hashanna or 22 Elul. The Jewish calendar is dated however FROM THE BIRTH OF ADAM AND NOT THE ACTUAL CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE. The discrepancy, according to some, can be as much as TWO YEARS WHERE ONLY GOD IS PRESENT. If we apply the Psalm about a day =1000 years, then we can come up with a number as high as 730,000 years. Others still suggest 6 stages/periods of undetermined lengthm, again with that first day including eternal darkness. Also, if only God is present, then we may have no time cues at all to work with.

And finally, the sages note that God THINKS before He SPEAKS, and untold ages could have passed during what is a multi-stage creation process (calling forth, gathered, formed, etc)BEFORE CREATION.

Sorry, but there are more questions than answers, and I don't have a definitve solution as of yet.

Shlama w'burkate
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4. RE: Genesis: 6 days or eons

Jan-19-2002 at 04:15 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear Akhi Andrew,

I was on holyday, sorry for late answer. I'm back and very happy to read so exciting explanations. It would be good read more about your teory, Akhi Andrew

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Gabor

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5. Akhay Biga and Andrew!!

Jan-19-2002 at 08:16 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhay,

Maybe this will 'shed some light' on the whole 'light scenario.' This is from Wilson's O.T. Word Studies-- LIGHT, LIGHTNING---
1- rwO)-to shine, shine upon, enlighten: light is that subtle fluid, called into existence the first day of creation; as this material element of nature was created before the sun, so it appears to subsist independent of that body (see Job xxxviii. 19, 24)
BTW-Those verses read-"Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and as for darkness, where is the place thereof;"
By what way is the light parted, or the east wind scattered upon the earth? (Jewish Publication Society O.T.)
He continues-"...to which it is attracted as a centre, and flows back in powerful agency through the solar system to every planet included in it. When the sun and moon were formed the word is asah not bara'.
Parkhurst derives this word from an obsolete verb awr, to flow. ; whence the noun a river, a flood, Amos 8:8
Also, in the days and weeks to come, could I hear some feedback concerning this website?...
https://members.truepath.com/gr/

Shlama w'Burkate,

Lawrence Raymond Kelsey


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6. RE: Akhay Biga and Andrew!!

Jan-31-2002 at 03:26 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Dear akhi Larry,

I read the article, it is nice. It came into my mind earlier that the morning can be a rise of an age, the evenening can be the dawn of an age. (like the pre tags in the great historical ages, "Precambrium").

another things what make me think a lot:

- what is the waters above the firnament in Gen. 1.7?
- some claims that the great whales in Gen. 1.21 are dinosaurs (Victor also translated so)
- why was originally the man vegetarian? Gen. 1.29
- Bible confirms that the water is necessary for life in Gen 2.6

in my opinion, the 6 days is a very good discussion topic, please don't leave it

cheers,
Gabor

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7. RE: Genesis: 6 days or eons

Jan-31-2002 at 11:19 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi Gabor,
Could you please give the exact name of this cuneiform text of Genesis? Also, the name of the specific book you read? - I wasn't aware that there was a cuneiform text of Genesis. BTW, when talking about cuneiform, I'm not sure 'manuscript' is an appropriate word, since we're dealing with clay tablets...

Thanks
Rob

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8. RE: Genesis: 6 days or eons

Feb-01-2002 at 09:04 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi akhi Rob,

the link is

https://www.v-a.com/bible/old-testament.html

I think it is from the Epic of Creation tablet, BC 1500, Ashurbanipal Library.


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