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Paiel

Jan-18-2002 at 01:48 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Shlama Akhi Paul

I note that while the word Nmyh is not the only word in the PNT that seems to mean 'believe' in English, all uses of it in the PNT seem to be either as Paiel or Ethpaial (the 'medio-passive' of Paiel if I've understood correctly). Why? Is this word actually what is normally termed an irregular verb and hence they say it follows the Paiel pattern, or does it actually get used as a Pael or Aphel in everyday Aramaic sometimes?
Really I'm trying to get a better grasp on understanding Paiel, which you said earlier is a 'Secondary causitive/transitive form related to Pael and Aphel'.

Thanks

Maran Atha
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  • RE: Paiel, Paul Younanmoderator, Jan-18-2002 at 04:12 PM, (1)
    • RE: Paiel, howard, Jan-20-2002 at 03:25 PM, (2)
      • RE: Paiel, Paul Younanmoderator, Jan-21-2002 at 11:51 AM, (3)
        • RE: Paiel, howard, Jan-23-2002 at 03:04 PM, (4)
 
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1. RE: Paiel

Jan-18-2002 at 04:12 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Howard,

You are correct in stating that it's an irregular verb because in its verbal root form it's spelled Nmyh which is irregular for a Semitic language that normally should have only three consonants for a root.

In this case, the roots spelling happens to follow the Paiel pattern (note the Yodh.) That's probably where that classification comes from.

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2. RE: Paiel

Jan-20-2002 at 03:25 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Paul, would you mind sharing what the Paiel pattern is? I haven't been able to find it.

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3. RE: Paiel

Jan-21-2002 at 11:51 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Howard,

In the Perfect Tense it's simply the addition of a Yodh between the 1st and 2nd consonants ('XXyX') - an example of a true ('perfect') Paiel conjugation is word number 13852 (rbys from rbs)

The root here has a normal 3-consonant, or 'hollow' 2-consonant, form for a Semitic verb.

For other Tenses (Participles, Infinitives, etc.) it takes on various suffixes and/or prefixes - but the Yodh is still present between the 1st and 2nd consonants of the root.

Hope this helps!

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4. RE: Paiel

Jan-23-2002 at 03:04 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Yes, it sure helps.
Thankyou Akhi Paul

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