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Galatians 5:2-3, 11-12

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Galatians 5:2-3, 11-12

Jan-29-2002 at 07:34 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Forgive the subject of this post but we finished Galatians last night and an interesting thought popped into my head. In the 5th chapter Paul is discussing the rite of circumcision and how that in the Messiah there is no circumcision nor uncircumcision. He's saying that in the Messiah God makes no distinction between Jew and non-Jew.

Then in verse 11 Paul said that if he were still teaching circumcision he wouldn't be persecuted. Then in verse 12 he said something that struck me as an odd but possibly purposeful choice of words. In verse 12 he said that his desire was that those who were troubling the messianic Jews
would be "cut off". Who were those who were persecuting these new Christians? Were they the unbelieving Gentiles or the unbelieving Jews?

Is this a wordplay, or just a coincidence, when Paul speaks of "circumcision" and in the very next verse talks of being "cut off"? Ouch, makes me cringe just thinking about it.

Here's to thanking the Lord I am not cut off,
Keith
(OK sorry for this)

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1. RE: Galatians 5:2-3, 11-12

Jan-30-2002 at 12:14 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Shlama Akhi Keith,

I would think the only major group persecuting the believers in Messiah (Jew or Gentile) that early on in the game were probably non-Messianic Jews.

It wasn't until much later on that the non-Messianic Gentiles began to persecute the church.

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2. RE: Galatians 5:2-3, 11-12

Jan-30-2002 at 01:22 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Akhi Keith,


>In the 5th chapter Paul
>is discussing the rite of
>circumcision and how that in
>the Messiah there is no
>circumcision nor uncircumcision. He's
>saying that in the Messiah
>God makes no distinction between
>Jew and non-Jew.

Yes. And if you are a gentile you will not be justified by being circumcized.

>Then in verse 11 Paul said
>that if he were still
>teaching circumcision he wouldn't be
>persecuted.

These persecutors were likely Jewish believers who misunderstood Paul's gospel. Pharisaic believers, (Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea?)were obviously the cause of concern among the Galatian churches as found in Acts 15:5 & and a subsequent threat to Paul in Acts 21:20.

Then in verse 12
>he said something that struck
>me as an odd but
>possibly purposeful choice of words.
> In verse 12 he
>said that his desire was
>that those who were troubling
>the messianic Jews
>would be "cut off". Who
>were those who were persecuting
>these new Christians? Were they
>the unbelieving Gentiles or the
>unbelieving Jews?
>
>Is this a wordplay, or just
>a coincidence, when Paul speaks
>of "circumcision" and in the
>very next verse talks of
>being "cut off"? Ouch,
>makes me cringe just thinking
>about it.

It is an obvious word play.

>
>Here's to thanking the Lord I
>am not cut off,
>Keith
>(OK sorry for this)
Iakov

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