Iakov
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Feb-19-2002 at 09:01 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
Akhay, The diety of Eshoo rests in his own self consciousness. That is did he consider himself to be God? In Judaism isn't forgiveness of sins a divine perogative? Eshoo certainly forgave sins. Mk 2:5 He claims lordship over the Shabat. Mk 2:27,28 'Ego kai ho pathr hen esmen' jn 10:30 'Ana w'Abi khad khanan' (hope my transliteration was adequate Akh Paul) Stating that he and the father are one certainly claims equality with God. The amazing thing about this akhay is the verb 'to be' in plural form. Hence the 'supposed' oximoron, 'WE ARE ONE' Such a saying calls to memory the Sh'ma. 'Shma Yisrael Adonai Eloheynu Adonai Ekhad' Adonai=YHWH Akh Drywood. 'Ho heorakos eme heoraken ton patera'GNT John 14:27 'Min d'li khaza khaza l'aba'PNT
When the disciples wanted to see the Father,Eshoo tells them;'who has been beholding me has beheld the Father'. Intense Greek word here rather than the usual Gr verb 'blepo'. 'Amhn amhn lego humin prin Abraam genesthai ego eimi' John 8:58 Present tense of the verb 'to be' used in reduntant Gr. form points the underlying Aramaic formula. The present tense shows timelessness. Are there other entities besides God without beginning? Not only did he exercise divine perogatives and make bold statements about his deity, he did not deny it when it came off the lips of Thomas, 'w'9na Tooma w'amar lah Mari w'Elohi'. John 8:28 Certainly his claim to divinity was perceived by the Sanhedrin. In fact wasn't it such a claim that convicted him? Keep in mind these are HIS claims. We have yet to look at how the apostles perceived him. Shlama, Yaqub
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Iakov
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Feb-19-2002 at 06:29 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Hello Gabor, Please read this article from my friend, Richard McPershon about deity of Jesus: www.net23.hu/isjesusyahweh.htm
Page not found. In any event Akhay Dean, Paul, and Andrew have given sufficient evidence for MAR-YAH The issue is Drywood wanted to see the word God specifically. What better way than to show Eshoo's claims to deity. Shlama, Yaqub
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Iakov
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Feb-19-2002 at 09:38 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Akhi Gabor, This reinforces my staements about Eshoos claims. Todah Yaqub
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Biga
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Feb-20-2002 at 10:07 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Dear Akhi Iakov! Yes, I know! Jesus is our God!  shlama, Gabor
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discipledaniel
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Feb-19-2002 at 10:28 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria) |
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Greetings all, Let me first start off by saying that I am a evangelical trinitarian. That said, I have questioned most or all of my beliefs in the past before I settled on that conclusion. My question relates here someone, so hold on a second. It seems that most people who question the deity of Christ go for the Arian way of thinking. I don't understand that. In my past searching, the only other viable alternative to the trinity(to my mind anyways) was monachic henotheism. Monarchic henotheism is very much like ancient babylonian beliefs. Basically the idea of a council of gods where one is supreme(Al or El). The second in command is like the first(YHWH, maybe Michael, which means like El) and would be incarnate in Jesus. You lose strict monotheism, but gain a kinda reasonable understanding of the gods. Anyways, my basic question was: why doesn't anyone believe that? People believe all kinds of wacky stuff much less reasonable. Now, someone told me mormanism was something like this, so maybe some people do. It certainly seems more reasonable to my mind than arianism. Anyways, just thinking out loud... God Bless, Daniel
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