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Doubting Thomas Said It

Feb-20-2002 at 06:18 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Akhay,

I just realized the one who expressly called Eshoo his GOD was THE original doubter.

If Eshoo was only a representative the phrase 'Mari w'Elohi' would have been reprehensible.

If Tooma's eyes can be opened then it is possible for anyone.

Shlama,
Yaqub

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1. RE: Doubting Thomas Said It

Feb-20-2002 at 09:41 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Hi, Iakov
According to Keith(a Protestant) and Andrew (a jew turned Nazarene something) Im not a Christian because I belong to a different fellowship as a brother in Christ. Naughty, Naughty, whose having a Party. Maybe you agree with them or not, its only opinion. Now getting to your question John 20:28. my lord and my God. You are expert in GNT I am to understand so the Greek you will agree is my kurios my theos. Comparing this to the Peshitta; ahki Pauls inter-linear uses the small lord/master, my lord that is MaRY from (12405) and my God that is ALaHY (925) Now Trinitarians as yourselves use this verse to prove deity of Christ. But Jesus had just told Mary a few verses before in verse 17 that he ascends to his theos. Since Jesus was to ascend to his deity and the disciples deity, then clearly he was not himself very deity; other wise then you would have two deities. One on earth, the other in heaven. This view my friend is Gentilism propagated later by that Syrian from Antioch, Ignatius. Now Christ wouldnt lie to his own mother would he. Because he recognized what mar Paul says in 1 Cor 11:3, the head of Christ is deity. Therefore, the Son is not co-equal with the Father. This is my answer to your question using your lexicon and your source, which reads the same in my KING JAMES. Now butter my cap!
Grace to you Iakov

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2. And that settles it

Feb-21-2002 at 02:09 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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Drywood,


> According to Keith(a Protestant)
>and Andrew (a jew turned
>Nazarene something)

This is very disrespectful to Akh Andrew. I challenge you to debate Andrew on the linguistic issues and not slander his faith.

Im not a
>Christian because I belong to
>a different fellowship

Forgive me for accepting the apostles creed.

Now getting to
>your question John 20:28.
so the
>Greek you will agree is
>my kurios my theos.

Well, close enough.

>Now Trinitarians as yourselves use
>this verse to prove deity
>of Christ. But Jesus had
>just told Mary a few
>verses before in verse 17
>that he ascends to his
>theos. Since Jesus was
>to ascend to his deity
>and the disciples deity, then
>clearly he was not himself
>very deity;

Very deity???
Yes, He IS VERY< VERY< VERY< DEITY.
I see; you're saying he was delusional. M'shikha was not schizophrenic.

I will translate what I asked you to in the first place
'Theos hn ho logos'
"The Word was (Gr. imperfect tense-continuous past action) GOD".

I ask again.
What other entity is without origin?

Because he recognized what
>mar Paul says in 1
>Cor 11:3, the head of
>Christ is deity. Therefore, the
>Son is not co-equal with
>the Father.


You mean like John 10:30
'I and the Father, we are one'.
Ouch, that's gotta hurt.

Phillipians 2:6-9 is a description of his his divesture. GOD exalted GOD 'after' divesture.

Yes there is an order in the Trinity.

God even raised him from the dead. Divested. Romans 1

God forsook him. Divested. Matt 27.

And yet after exaltation it is in him where 'the fullness of the God-head dwells bodily'. Col 2:9.

Thae FAT lady has sung.

This is
>my answer to your question
>using your lexicon and your
>source, which reads the same
>in my KING JAMES.

Sorry. My text is not based on the textus receptus as it is considered unreliable.

Shlama,
Yaqub

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