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Arian weakness?

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Arian weakness?

Mar-25-2002 at 08:35 AM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

Hey guys,

This is especially to jdrywood, but also to others. I do wish that this topic would die, but since it's not, I have a question for the Arians among us.

Arian theology is that Jesus was/is an angel, but not God, correct? The highest angel or a lesser God even? Correct?

How do you handle the idea that angels worship Jesus? Revelations 5:11-12 shows them worshipping Jesus. 2 Th 1:7 and Matt 4:7(quoting Psalms) make it apparent that Jesus isn't considered with the angels. And Hebrews 1:5 seems to really make it clear that Jesus is far above the angels. Hebrews 1:14 says the angels are servants of us. Jesus chose to serve us, but He is not our servant, He is our Lord.

How does Arian theology handle this?

God Bless,

Daniel

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Mar-25-2002 at 09:09 PM (UTC+3 Nineveh, Assyria)

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son Daniel,
I think Arius believed that Jesus was a man not deity as I believe. I think some Gnostics groups which differed among themselves believed Jesus was angelic and really didnt have a birth. Jesus was not an angel so my point about them is their being called elohim in OT just as Moses and Israels leaders were called lelohim = as an god because elohim has been translated such from the Hebrew text. This does not mean Moses was deity or an angel but a man who was given powers of deity to perform miracles as Jesus did. Dont confuse what is being said. Hope this helps a bit.

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