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Viewing cable 09ISTANBUL350, TURKISH ARMENIANS RELATE HOPE FOR PROGRESS IN
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SUBJECT: TURKISH ARMENIANS RELATE HOPE FOR PROGRESS IN
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REF: ISTANBUL 69
Classified By: Consul General Sharon A. Wiener for reasons 1.4 (b) and
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¶1. (SBU) Summary. During a meeting on September 4, Armenian
Archbishop and acting Patriarch Aram Atesyan shared with
visiting Ambassador Yovanovitch his optimism about the
Turkish-Armenian rapprochement despite his conviction that
Turkey will not change its stance on the events of 1915. He
explained the continued need for many Armenian Turks to
conceal their Armenian Christian identity in Anatolia, even
though "as a people we have no problems with Turks."
Publishing coordinator for the Armenian and Turkish language
weekly Agos, Maide Saris, said that while Armenian Turks
still cannot be civil servants due to an unwritten law, they
face no discrimination in the private sector. Saris concluded
that it really is very exciting to live in Turkey as an
Armenian today. End Summary.
¶2. (C) Atesyan reported that GOT's EU Affairs Minister
Egemen Bagis had told him on September 3 that he has great
hope that the rapprochement protocols will be signed by both
parliaments and the border opened. "If the Diasporan
Armenians shut their mouths, we will have progress" on this
issue, Atesyan opined, contending that the only problem
between the Armenian Diaspora and Turkey is 1915 - "and
solving that is hopeless."
¶3. (SBU) According to Atesyan, the 70,000 illegal Armenian
migrants to Turkey would be happy if the border were opened
and relations normalized. Atesyan pointed out that most
migrants to Turkey from Armenia are women and children. He
contends that because of their illegal status the children
are unable to attend Turkish public schools, and because they
are not Turkish citizens, cannot attend the Turkish Armenian
minority schools. The future of an entire generation of
Armenian migrant children "is based on political relations
between the two countries," Atesyan argued.
¶4. (C) As the leader of the Armenian Orthodox community and
church in Turkey, Atesyan said he cannot talk about the
massacres of 1915 nor April 24. "It would cause too many
problems." He commented on the continued antagonism toward
Armenian Christians in Anatolia. He explained that he has
cousins who converted to Islam in Diyarbakir for perceived
personal safety concerns who want to baptize their child.
However, Atesyan said he is unwilling to baptize their child
until they convert back (officially changing the religion on
their identity cards to read "Armenian Orthodox" rather than
"Islam"). They will only do this when and if they move to
the more tolerant Istanbul "because otherwise they feel it
would not be safe to be openly Armenian Orthodox in
Anatolia."
¶5. (SBU) Prior to the founding of the Turkish Republic,
Atesyan explained that there were 2,200 Armenian churches, of
which only 45 remain with only 22 priests to serve the
parishioners (Ref A). Currently the fewer than 1,000 Armenian
Orthodox remaining in Adiyaman must attend a Syriac Orthodox
church because there is no Armenian church available for
them. The properties and schools can only be maintained with
support from wealthy parishioners as 50 percent of students
in Armenian minority schools are on scholarship. The
Armenian General Benevolent Union in the United States covers
10 percent of the schools' budget through donations, Atesyan
said.
¶6. (C) Atesyan expressed his belief that the problems of the
minorities come from the state rather than the GOT and
contended that if AKP were to remain in power for another 20
years, many of Turkey's problems would be solved. He related
a situation in which PM Erdogan, addressing Patriarch
Mutafyan and Atesyan, gestured to a portrait of Ataturk and
asked which was better for the Armenians: the Ottoman Empire
or the new Turkish Republic. Atesyan said the PM was implying
that he understood that Turkey's minorities lived better
under the Ottoman Empire's millet system.
¶7. (SBU) In a separate meeting, publishing coordinator for
the Armenian and Turkish language weekly Agos, Maide Saris,
shared with the Ambassador that while Armenian Turks de facto
still cannot be civil servants, they face no discrimination
in the private sector. Unlike 10 years ago, Maide commented,
Agos is now able to report on the events of September 1955 in
which hundreds of properties owned by minorities were
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destroyed. "Turkey is now reading, talking, and learning
about the issue" of the Armenian question.
¶8. (C) Comment: The enhanced dialogue on the topic of the
events of 1915 over the past year and the AKP's positive
relationship with most minority communities provides some
hope that some of the challenges facing these communities
will be addressed, if not comprehensively resolved. Atesyan
echoes the voices of many who believe the Turkish-Armenian
rapprochement can only provide positive results for all
involved, but may be correct in his assessment of the limited
likelihood that the state and people will change its views on
the events of 1915. End Comment.
WIENER